2019 Hungarian Grand Prix - Hungaroring, August 2-4

[Pyrone89]

Toto Wolff just admitted they '" we had a great, great racecar, by far the quickest car on track".

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14523 ... ion--wolff

So what?
the car was quickest on race day!

Seems relevant when we are discussing the GP, isnt it.

He keeps saying it because he wants everyone to know that Hamilton only wins because the car's so good ---. Well done Max, the true GOAT!

Good on you for finally admitting it , as does the teamboss of Hamilton himself (not the GOAT part which is still Senna or Schumi obviously). So we can finally put to bed those claims of him somehow NOT having by far a dominant car for 6 years enabling those stats.

PS: your favorite does not agree with you, HAM himself said this isnt his best season AND yesterday in the press conference gave himself a high 8 for the season so far and he gave Max a 9 / high 9.

[Sieper]

No, even if my message is a compliment towards Max, his toxic fans are so insecure that they would take it for an insult!
prime example is this very conversation! why so touchy??

Toxic, insecure, touchy see everything as an insult, sending me PM's with the same.

Just help me out, next time for such imbecils as me, make it clear when you pay a compliment, thank you.

I have on multiple occasions complimented your man, I came here yesterday thinking, OK this was a tense race between two great drivers, expecting to see a happy forum, but no.

i am not the one being tense and touchy mate.
you were targeting my posts and replying to it with the insecurity....i was talking about a clever thing Max did yesterday, but you turned it into a passive-aggressive reply and started targeting me ... stop replying to all my posts.

P.S. the compliment was meant for Max not you!

Anyone else saw how after that Max had back marker after back marker with DRS for him to save from Lewis attack, 4 times he had DRS on the straight (well placed by Max to overtake them correctly to help him with DRS)....that saved him from the initial onslaught.... and them Lewis ran wide and overheat his brakes and took out the best of his tyres by then.

This is my original post, which you got triggered about! i dont see any reason to be offended, as it was a complement towards Max who drove great to place his car in the traffic!

OK, were mates now, so let that be the end of it.

[Just_a_fan]

(not the GOAT part which is still Senna or Schumi obviously).

Fangio. There is no argument to this.

[NathanOlder]

Toto Wolff just admitted they '" we had a great, great racecar, by far the quickest car on track".

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14523 ... ion--wolff

So what?
the car was quickest on race day!

Only in Lewis hands.

Although to state a fact. the RedBull was the fastest car on Saturday, and over a lap was the fastest car on Sunday.

[epo]

Toto Wolff just admitted they '" we had a great, great racecar, by far the quickest car on track".

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14523 ... ion--wolff

So what?
the car was quickest on race day!

Only in Lewis hands.

Although to state a fact. the RedBull was the fastest car on Saturday, and over a lap was the fastest car on Sunday.

Mercedes was the faster car on both days, on Saturday the drivers were not fast enough to get pole. And in racepace the Mercedes was by far the fastest car. Bottas couldn't show that because of the damage.

[Pyrone89]

(not the GOAT part which is still Senna or Schumi obviously).

Fangio. There is no argument to this.

Also a good one, true. Especially with so many teams and in a time basically every few races drivers died.
Basically Senna (driver ability but career cut short), Fangio (as mentioned) or Schumacher (not so much stats but what he did with a team that was in shambles mid nineties). Lewis could join that list for me if he goes to a struggling team and get them championships against the odds.

[Jolle]

It seems that RedBull Honda made some good improvements so it can challenge Mercedes on tracks or under circumstances where engine power is of lesser importance. This gives the possibility to have a good battle in 2020, where none of the constructors will massively change their concepts (because it’s the last year before a new formula), where Honda is the only factor with significant room for improvement.

[siskue2005]

So what?
the car was quickest on race day!

Only in Lewis hands.

Although to state a fact. the RedBull was the fastest car on Saturday, and over a lap was the fastest car on Sunday.

Mercedes was the faster car on both days, on Saturday the drivers were not fast enough to get pole. And in racepace the Mercedes was by far the fastest car. Bottas couldn't show that because of the damage.

Yes Yes we know! "When Mercedes is faster it is the car and when Mercedes is slower it is the drivers!"
Now tell that mantra 5 times in your mind, that will make it true!

[Pyrone89]

Only in Lewis hands.

Although to state a fact. the RedBull was the fastest car on Saturday, and over a lap was the fastest car on Sunday.

Mercedes was the faster car on both days, on Saturday the drivers were not fast enough to get pole. And in racepace the Mercedes was by far the fastest car. Bottas couldn't show that because of the damage.

Yes Yes we know! "When Mercedes is faster it is the car and when Mercedes is slower it is the drivers!"
Now tell that mantra 5 times in your mind, that will make it true!

He is still right. This car won 10 out of 12 and even Bottas (which is not an elite driver) has two commanding wins. That is a dominant car, so yes if it is slow the drivers (driving) and engineers (setup) should take a hard look at themselves

[Schuttelberg]

(not the GOAT part which is still Senna or Schumi obviously).

Fangio. There is no argument to this.

Also a good one, true. Especially with so many teams and in a time basically every few races drivers died.
Basically Senna (driver ability but career cut short), Fangio (as mentioned) or Schumacher (not so much stats but what he did with a team that was in shambles mid nineties). Lewis could join that list for me if he goes to a struggling team and get them championships against the odds.

This is not the place to discuss GOAT's. I'm just saying.

[shamyakovic]

What a drive from Hamilton really enjoyed the race! hope for such races in the furture

BTW there is a 4 week gap until the next race, what shall we do until them?

[Juzh]

What a drive from Hamilton really enjoyed the race! hope for such races in the furture

BTW there is a 4 week gap until the next race, what shall we do until them?

Motogp

[Bill_Kar]

What a drive from Hamilton really enjoyed the race! hope for such races in the furture

BTW there is a 4 week gap until the next race, what shall we do until them?

Motogp

Sadly a MM borefest show

Rewatching old seasons will do the job, as per tradition.

[drunkf1fan]

Sainz's drive is being really over rated. Gasly has failed to finish ahead of Renault's, Mclaren's, maybe a Sauber as well. Gasly is terrible on corner exit, with his issue apparently being really bad throttle application and he's not at all brave under heavy braking so the two things you want for making passes make him basically crap.

The Red Bull was clearly a much, much faster car. Sainz will have been under pressure every lap that Gasly was behind him and if he made a mistake, Gasly would've been able to capitalise. If Red Bull/Gasly did not manage to make the most of their pace, some of that must be down to Sainz, no?

You make strong and valid points for Norris, but he didn't finish 5th. The same for Kimi and, if he had finished 5th, I'd have recommended him as Driver of the day. That he not only kept Gasly behind him for half the race, but also the much faster Bottas for several laps is pretty compelling.

More than happy to agree to differ, though and I appreciate the many valid points that you raised.

Yes the Red Bull was a faster car in Max's hands, but not in Gasly's. This is no different to Canada, or France, where Gasly got held up by slower cars at tracks that were far far easier to pass at.

Sainz had a great start, but the rest of the race was uneventful and you're only under pressure every lap if at the pace the car can go at the guy behind is actually trying to pass every lap and you have to defend every lap. If the guy behind you is ~1 second behind and never gets close enough to force you to take defensive action then that's not a lot of pressure. Hamilton all over Max, forcing him to take inside lines to cover the next corner, to brake later and the car constantly getting partially alongside, a car behind that is clearly able to be pushed harder and closing a gap, that's pressure. A car that is 1 second behind but clearly can't pass is as much pressure as a car 4 seconds back that isn't gaining.

[drunkf1fan]

After his stop Lewis was 6.2 seconds down.

We blinked.

He was in DRS. Absolutely mega few laps. Pressure straight back on Max - no time to rest the tyres... this proved critical.

Just like Seb in Canada - he is relentless when he needs to be.

That was amazing to watch and hilarious to see it catch everyone out, including seemingly the tv race Director and Martin Brundle. Suddenly he was right there!

HAM seems to have that incredible combination of amazing speed with excellent tire management. His driving style barely takes anything out of the tires even when hustling other

Anyone else saw how after that Max had back marker after back marker with DRS for him to save from Lewis attack, 4 times he had DRS on the straight (well placed by Max to overtake them correctly to help him with DRS)....that saved him from the initial onslaught.... and them Lewis ran wide and overheat his brakes and took out the best of his tyres by then.

I have no words for Kimi, what a solid job to pull that car to the back of the leaders!

Very similar to Canada for Hamilton, in that once he got back to Vettel on those hards every single lap they seemed to hit traffic so that Vettel got DRS down the straight. I felt like all that was required that race was for them to hit a gap of 3-4 laps maybe without a backmarker so that Ham could have a lap or two to gain a little, get closer and closer then one proper attempt to pass and it would have happened and it felt the same here, that when Max finally didn't have DRS for a couple of laps then Hamilton would get him.