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He wouldn't have been able to pass Hamilton, but could have held on to the lead had he pitted at the same time, or earlier. Mercedes saw they had a free stop and took it, they covered a base Red Bull hadn't considered. Again, you live you learn.
Reallyyyyyy
you DON'T consider a 2 stopper when your opponent is just 1-2s behind you and you have the lead.
Because then you lose track position on a track where its hard to overtake, watch the video i posted earlier from Priestley, he explains it very good an understandeable .... really godlamerosso i expected more of you, and if you don't see that, then i overestimated you
See what, it is clear the Mercedes is a little faster, and I'm not disputing this, it's clear that yes with equal tires, had both cars gone to the end, Mercedes would not have been able to make that pass. China last year showed the difference newer tires could make vs old when Riccardo demolished everyone. Mercedes saw they had a free stop as they would not have to deal with overtaking any car for position. They had over 20 laps when the call was made, it played out exactly as China did last year.
Had Verstappen pitted at the same time as Hamilton or earlier, he would have retained the lead and won. Red Bull didn't consider that scenario, they took a gamble on track position, but didn't count on the tires giving up the way they did. Considering Verstappen got fastest lap by over a second shows the disparity between old and new tires and a difference of fuel load makes.
In any case, it was a very interesting race, and showed that in a stalemate, it takes more than just the driver but a whole team effort to make a difference. Again you live and you learn, I really don't see where we are in disagreement, that Mercedes is slightly faster in Hamilton's hands? Yes currently that is the case, and that gap will be closed in due time, and it will happen this year.
No. If Redbull were the ones who decided to pit first you can bet any type of money that Mercedes and Hamilton stay out and do a one stopper. Hamilton had the faster car and the fresher tires. The main reason Mercedes's strategy worked is because Max's tires died at the end. Let's not forget that for a while, Hamilton was not gaining any ground on Max. Redbull's best shot at winning was to stay out.
The lag problem seems to be solved. Google translate.
Managing Director Yamamoto, who praises Hamilton for his hard work [this weekend]. In Silverstone, the difference of 0.183 seconds was as close as possible to the pole, but the power unit's output characteristics could not be attached to Verstappen's pedal work and missed that opportunity.
Max: “If there was no lag problem, I was in pole position…”
Because of this regret, Honda has desperately taken measures between the German Grand Prix and this Hungarian Grand Prix. And in the Hungaroring, where the middle and low speed corners, where drivability is important, occupy the majority, no problems occurred.
McLaren team boss Andreas Seidl therefore considers it not entirely impossible that this will succeed. "The only drivers he can still overtake is Gasly and we are going to try to make that happen," he tells the Spanish newspaper AS .
Reallyyyyyy
you DON'T consider a 2 stopper when your opponent is just 1-2s behind you and you have the lead.
Because then you lose track position on a track where its hard to overtake, watch the video i posted earlier from Priestley, he explains it very good an understandeable .... really godlamerosso i expected more of you, and if you don't see that, then i overestimated you
See what, it is clear the Mercedes is a little faster, and I'm not disputing this, it's clear that yes with equal tires, had both cars gone to the end, Mercedes would not have been able to make that pass. China last year showed the difference newer tires could make vs old when Riccardo demolished everyone. Mercedes saw they had a free stop as they would not have to deal with overtaking any car for position. They had over 20 laps when the call was made, it played out exactly as China did last year.
Had Verstappen pitted at the same time as Hamilton or earlier, he would have retained the lead and won. Red Bull didn't consider that scenario, they took a gamble on track position, but didn't count on the tires giving up the way they did. Considering Verstappen got fastest lap by over a second shows the disparity between old and new tires and a difference of fuel load makes.
In any case, it was a very interesting race, and showed that in a stalemate, it takes more than just the driver but a whole team effort to make a difference. Again you live and you learn, I really don't see where we are in disagreement, that Mercedes is slightly faster in Hamilton's hands? Yes currently that is the case, and that gap will be closed in due time, and it will happen this year.
No. If Redbull were the ones who decided to pit first you can bet any type of money that Mercedes and Hamilton stay out and do a one stopper. Hamilton had the faster car and the fresher tires. The main reason Mercedes's strategy worked is because Max's tires died at the end. Let's not forget that for a while, Hamilton was not gaining any ground on Max. Redbull's best shot at winning was to stay out.
No. A one stopper would have been slower than a two stopper any way you slice it. No tire could last more than 40 laps if that, not that there was any way to know that given the small amount of Friday running. Hindsight is 20/20, but Red Bull will be better prepared should a similar scenario play out.
there's a dutch saying about looking to things retrospective, and it would fit this.
yes, we can come up with a variety of ideas which 'we' think would have been better.
but the simple fact is, it would have put Verstappen in a different position, and Mercedes was fast enough anyway.
Would Max been able to overtake Lewis? I really don't think so - Yes, Max got faster on new tires, but if he pitted earlier,
then those tires would have been worn (not out) after a while too, especially behind a hot mercedes.
Meanwhile, Hamilton, now in front, on the same tires or even still newer tires, with no hot car in front of him,
would surely kept Max behind him. There is no way he would have had sufficient benefit to 'breeze' past Hamilton,
not even with DRS.
Hamilton and Mercedes were too fast for that.
That being said, the actual reason Max lost did not really have much to do with that anyway.
A sidenote though is that we must not forget that RB is not the nr1 car to beat, so it's not that surprising Lewis with a Merc
beat Max. I think it was pretty honest end result.
The thing is, Max, compared to Lewis, lost a LOT to backmarkers.
Every single time, Max ran into backmarkers at the worst moment possible, and Lewis every single time ran into them
at the right moment and dare i say some Mercedes-powered cars let the Merc mothership car pass much easier than they
did with Max.
It resulted in Hamilton being able to reach Max DRS window much easier and much faster than 'anticipated', which then
also causes the Merc to drive much shorter in hot turbelent wake of the RedBull.
I wouldn't call it luck, and i wouldnt say Max really had bad luck, it's just the way things go about in racing.
What i do think is absolutely underestimated positive points from this race is just how much Honda has improved.
They grabbed pole, they let max run in 'super mode' at the end of his tire life when hamilton was close, and the car
suffered zero issues at all, and made an easy p2, and could have been a p1.
Can't wait for after the Summer break.
Hamilton usually is on his best after the break,
and RedBull normally improves a lot in the second half of the season.
This is gonna be epic.
"Explain the ending to F1 in football terms"
"Hamilton was beating Verstappen 7-0, then the ref decided F%$& rules, next goal wins
while also sending off 4 Hamilton players to make it more interesting"
The lag problem seems to be solved. Google translate.
Managing Director Yamamoto, who praises Hamilton for his hard work [this weekend]. In Silverstone, the difference of 0.183 seconds was as close as possible to the pole, but the power unit's output characteristics could not be attached to Verstappen's pedal work and missed that opportunity.
Max: “If there was no lag problem, I was in pole position…”
Because of this regret, Honda has desperately taken measures between the German Grand Prix and this Hungarian Grand Prix. And in the Hungaroring, where the middle and low speed corners, where drivability is important, occupy the majority, no problems occurred.
there's a dutch saying about looking to things retrospective, and it would fit this.
"With hindsight you can look a cow in it's ass .."
yeah, i chose not to publish but thanks anyway
"Explain the ending to F1 in football terms"
"Hamilton was beating Verstappen 7-0, then the ref decided F%$& rules, next goal wins
while also sending off 4 Hamilton players to make it more interesting"
He is adding alleged 25 hp increase from Spec 4 and 15 hp from new expected fuel mix.
Let's hope, but yes - it is getting close. I was doubtful and pessimistic, but it seems they are catching really fast now... 2020 will be massive!
It varies from circuit to circuit according to Lewis Rbr are faster in the straights . In silverstone Rbr was faster in the high speed corners and straights what they need is little downforce after merc brought an upgrade in Germany
