2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

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selvam_e2002 wrote:
12 Aug 2019, 13:25
rscsr wrote:
12 Aug 2019, 13:15
selvam_e2002 wrote:
12 Aug 2019, 13:02
RB are screwing their drivers. last year Hartly now Gassly. Who will take him if he resign from RB? Gassly career is owner in F1. better to look out side of F1.
I wouldn't call it screwing their drivers in this instance. Gasly just didn't perform. At all. Gasly is usually a second a lap slower than Verstappen. And it doesn't seem to get better. And it is also Gasly's second season.
I don't think it is second season with RB. He just completed ~10 races and they are judging that he is not good.
Even in a company they will give 1 year time to prove your self. But RB is not giving much time to him to understand the car and environment. You have to develop the driver not degrade a driver and his career.

from outside i.e from fan point of view, RB is not supporting second driver. They concentrate only number 1 driver example Vettel, now it is Max. If they do like this, upcoming new drivers will afraid of signing RB junior program.

Basics is: you need to develop a driver not degrade or demote them because they are bring drivers from their own school.
it is Gasly's 2nd season in F1 and now its clear he might be a good midfield contender, but he is not good enough for a top team

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selvam_e2002 wrote:
12 Aug 2019, 13:25
rscsr wrote:
12 Aug 2019, 13:15
selvam_e2002 wrote:
12 Aug 2019, 13:02
RB are screwing their drivers. last year Hartly now Gassly. Who will take him if he resign from RB? Gassly career is owner in F1. better to look out side of F1.
I wouldn't call it screwing their drivers in this instance. Gasly just didn't perform. At all. Gasly is usually a second a lap slower than Verstappen. And it doesn't seem to get better. And it is also Gasly's second season.
I don't think it is second season with RB. He just completed ~10 races and they are judging that he is not good.
Even in a company they will give 1 year time to prove your self. But RB is not giving much time to him to understand the car and environment. You have to develop the driver not degrade a driver and his career.

from outside i.e from fan point of view, RB is not supporting second driver. They concentrate only number 1 driver example Vettel, now it is Max. If they do like this, upcoming new drivers will afraid of signing RB junior program.

Basics is: you need to develop a driver not degrade or demote them because they are bring drivers from their own school.
If Gasly would have shown any decent improvements he would still be driving the RBR. You just can't be a second a lap slower. He has all the info on how Verstappen drives. And what setup he uses. And he still didn't show any improvement.

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Datco wrote:
12 Aug 2019, 13:26
I would have rather went for Kvyat. Albons fast but like Gasly has not demonstrated enough aggression, overtaking and wheel to wheel racing other than with his own team mate and Gasly. Like Gasly I think he will be fast in free air but get stuck behind McLaren and Alfa. I hope I am wrong. But as others have mentioned maybe they just want to test him I a high pressure environment quali and race before they make a decision on next year. Bottas may become available, and they know he is a good in quali in a top team against a top team mate
I also thought they will replace with Kyat. He is doing great even 1 year absence in F1.
If Kyat with Max, then we will know how Max is driving and his capability. I think thats why RB don't want to put Kyat along with Max. Kyat may be Better than Danial and Max.

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santos wrote:
12 Aug 2019, 12:48
Didn't see that coming… I rate him very high. Every one speaks about Norris and Russel, but i think Albon is doing very well at Toro Rosso. But i thought that if Red Bull would replace Gasly, they would give the place to Kvyat.
I think Albon along with Norris, Russell, Verstappen and LeClerc means F1 is in very good hands.

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Cant wait for the amazon footage of Horner telling Gasly his seat is safe at Hungary then ringing him to tell him he's been demoted

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selvam_e2002 wrote:
12 Aug 2019, 13:25
rscsr wrote:
12 Aug 2019, 13:15
selvam_e2002 wrote:
12 Aug 2019, 13:02
RB are screwing their drivers. last year Hartly now Gassly. Who will take him if he resign from RB? Gassly career is owner in F1. better to look out side of F1.
I wouldn't call it screwing their drivers in this instance. Gasly just didn't perform. At all. Gasly is usually a second a lap slower than Verstappen. And it doesn't seem to get better. And it is also Gasly's second season.
I don't think it is second season with RB. He just completed ~10 races and they are judging that he is not good.
Even in a company they will give 1 year time to prove your self. But RB is not giving much time to him to understand the car and environment. You have to develop the driver not degrade a driver and his career.

from outside i.e from fan point of view, RB is not supporting second driver. They concentrate only number 1 driver example Vettel, now it is Max. If they do like this, upcoming new drivers will afraid of signing RB junior program.

Basics is: you need to develop a driver not degrade or demote them because they are bring drivers from their own school.
They sending him back to STR so that he can develop. No other team can make that happen so easily.
Why would any driver turn down RBR junior programme. Is there another team that brings more drivers in F1 and gives more drivers a chance in a top team to prove themselves than RBR?
Oh and you missed Ricciardo in between Vettel and Max, perhaps selectively lol.

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selvam_e2002 wrote:
12 Aug 2019, 13:29
Datco wrote:
12 Aug 2019, 13:26
I would have rather went for Kvyat. Albons fast but like Gasly has not demonstrated enough aggression, overtaking and wheel to wheel racing other than with his own team mate and Gasly. Like Gasly I think he will be fast in free air but get stuck behind McLaren and Alfa. I hope I am wrong. But as others have mentioned maybe they just want to test him I a high pressure environment quali and race before they make a decision on next year. Bottas may become available, and they know he is a good in quali in a top team against a top team mate
I also thought they will replace with Kyat. He is doing great even 1 year absence in F1.
If Kyat with Max, then we will know how Max is driving and his capability. I think thats why RB don't want to put Kyat along with Max. Kyat may be Better than Danial and Max.
for me kvat is doing great and stable but they know how good he can be on his day. he is getting solid points for toro. moving albon up instead allows them to see how good he is compared to max whilest also seeing how kvat does aganist gasley. i could quite easiley see kavt at red bull next year if he does well aganist gasley and albon does badley aganist max. the fact that gasley spent most of germany stuck behinmd albon before hitting the back of him like a rookie makes me think he only made hungary due to the time constrants and the media storm it would create. do it in the mid season break gives the media chance to get over themselvs

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selvam_e2002 wrote:
12 Aug 2019, 13:25
rscsr wrote:
12 Aug 2019, 13:15
selvam_e2002 wrote:
12 Aug 2019, 13:02
RB are screwing their drivers. last year Hartly now Gassly. Who will take him if he resign from RB? Gassly career is owner in F1. better to look out side of F1.
I wouldn't call it screwing their drivers in this instance. Gasly just didn't perform. At all. Gasly is usually a second a lap slower than Verstappen. And it doesn't seem to get better. And it is also Gasly's second season.
I don't think it is second season with RB. He just completed ~10 races and they are judging that he is not good.
Even in a company they will give 1 year time to prove your self. But RB is not giving much time to him to understand the car and environment. You have to develop the driver not degrade a driver and his career.

from outside i.e from fan point of view, RB is not supporting second driver. They concentrate only number 1 driver example Vettel, now it is Max. If they do like this, upcoming new drivers will afraid of signing RB junior program.

Basics is: you need to develop a driver not degrade or demote them because they are bring drivers from their own school.
In a top company you already wouldbe sacked, RB is a top company where top money goes on. Basics are you perform of FO whether your first, second or third drivers. What's so hard to understand about that?
Learning is done at TR, at RB you need to deliver.

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selvam_e2002 wrote:
12 Aug 2019, 13:29
Kyat may be Better than Danial and Max.
do you really believe your own BS :wtf: :lol:

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Gasly is weak driver, simple as that
He was measured against a rookie Hartley who is even worse . Look at Giovanni gasly s rival . Struggling big time against Kimi. Gasly should go. RB should be 2n now if not for gasly. No team will hire him him if he getting lap by his own teammate.

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My theory is that he couldn't take the pressure any more and ask RB himself to be replaced.

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well GASLY...
and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
para bellum.

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in my opinion, Gasly doesn't have confidence in the car and he's not a great passer. He did show his pace in the TR but again, when he had confidence in the car and have clear air. I still think they brought him up too early. While not every driver does this but I see young driver crashing as a good sign if being encouraged as they are testing out the limit. We see Albon does this and he has missed quite a bit from him crashing the car. He is allowed to have some room to do that and try to find the limit of the car and track in TR. See if RBR and RBR fans here will be as nice to him if he carries that over from TR to RBR for the remainder of the season.

I do think Albon has what it takes to be the next generation of F1 drivers and looking forward to him racing with the other promising young guys. I hope bringing him up right now does not change that and that he can rise to the occasion.

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epo wrote:
12 Aug 2019, 13:43
selvam_e2002 wrote:
12 Aug 2019, 13:25
rscsr wrote:
12 Aug 2019, 13:15

I wouldn't call it screwing their drivers in this instance. Gasly just didn't perform. At all. Gasly is usually a second a lap slower than Verstappen. And it doesn't seem to get better. And it is also Gasly's second season.
I don't think it is second season with RB. He just completed ~10 races and they are judging that he is not good.
Even in a company they will give 1 year time to prove your self. But RB is not giving much time to him to understand the car and environment. You have to develop the driver not degrade a driver and his career.

from outside i.e from fan point of view, RB is not supporting second driver. They concentrate only number 1 driver example Vettel, now it is Max. If they do like this, upcoming new drivers will afraid of signing RB junior program.

Basics is: you need to develop a driver not degrade or demote them because they are bring drivers from their own school.
In a top company you already wouldbe sacked, RB is a top company where top money goes on. Basics are you perform of FO whether your first, second or third drivers. What's so hard to understand about that?
Learning is done at TR, at RB you need to deliver.
So, as per your opinion, they just give 10 races and throw the driver out from RB like Kyat, Hartly now Gassly and Albon in next year from RB. What a funny.


It seems you are not understanding top "company" If you have good support in team(manager and uperlevel you can survive), you will not thrown away like Max(they give him lot of chance to improve but not with other drivers because of no support.)

take a example, Vettel only shined in RB, Riccordo only shined in RB who else shined out side of RB? name it pls?

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waynes wrote:
12 Aug 2019, 13:36
Cant wait for the amazon footage of Horner telling Gasly his seat is safe at Hungary then ringing him to tell him he's been demoted
Netflix...