lio007 wrote: ↑12 Aug 2019, 20:46This was the very reason why I thought Albon to RBR won' t happen in the near future given the recent Thai sponsorship deals at STR.
Now I know I was pretty wrong. Maybe a bit of a difficult situation for STR now to promote the Thai sponsorship deals when the "reason" for them is not in the team anymore.
again where is stated that Red bull would be midfield contender?
He has no personal sponsors.Big Tea wrote: ↑12 Aug 2019, 20:58lio007 wrote: ↑12 Aug 2019, 20:46This was the very reason why I thought Albon to RBR won' t happen in the near future given the recent Thai sponsorship deals at STR.
Now I know I was pretty wrong. Maybe a bit of a difficult situation for STR now to promote the Thai sponsorship deals when the "reason" for them is not in the team anymore.
Hmmm. Who are Gaslys sponsors and will they like the swap the other way? Had no though of that
Well if you read my post, something was imminent, things developed this week that was out of ordinary. Post Hungary race, it was nailed on that Gasly would be given the time to reset and come back. Horner, Marko et all concurred before the break that Gasly was to be there after summer restart.
I share that feeling. Wouldn’t surprise me if this is the result of some personal fallout.
Maybe the rumour that Vettel wanted to return to red bull was true and they were sticking with Gasly because he would be replaced with Vettel next season anyway. If the deal with Vettel fell through, suddenly they need to start testing drivers for next seasonEdax wrote: ↑12 Aug 2019, 22:34I share that feeling. Wouldn’t surprise me if this is the result of some personal fallout.
Perhaps he has not been picking up Helmut's phonecalls.
Sad to see of course, but to be honest I found his last performances in the track cringeworthy. I can understand that he has an issue with the car, but the way he was letting people by without even attempting to defend his position. It looked that he had already given up and was just sitting out the races.
or its nothing like you wrote at all and Vettel wasn't in the picture, and maybe RB (Marko & Horner) just decided that Gasly was bad in what he was doing, driving a F1 car that has the potencial of beating Ferrari and Gasly just wasn't up to the task at all to be in a top teamTimW wrote: ↑12 Aug 2019, 22:48Maybe the rumour that Vettel wanted to return to red bull was true and they were sticking with Gasly because he would be replaced with Vettel next season anyway. If the deal with Vettel fell through, suddenly they need to start testing drivers for next seasonEdax wrote: ↑12 Aug 2019, 22:34I share that feeling. Wouldn’t surprise me if this is the result of some personal fallout.
Perhaps he has not been picking up Helmut's phonecalls.
Sad to see of course, but to be honest I found his last performances in the track cringeworthy. I can understand that he has an issue with the car, but the way he was letting people by without even attempting to defend his position. It looked that he had already given up and was just sitting out the races.
When you say "albon is now alongside max" I think we can safely translate that to "albon is now slightly behind max please" (team orders?)
Would be extremely impressed with Albon if those ‘Valtteri, this is James’ style orders even have to come down more than in the occassional situation. Basically the only time Gasly defended a position this year was against his teammate, which was not smart given the context. Bit of of thing Massa tended to do in the Alonso years (be --- in defending except ehen teammate is behind).
The fall out with Sainz pretty much happened when the PU negotiations with the Honda swap happened with STR. Zak in an interview with sky was very cryptic as negotiations was ongoing, but said at the time there were many hurdles to overcome including a driver that was not happy with the change. I suspect that could have only been Sainz especially with the influence of Alonso. Don't know what power Sainz would have had as he was still a RBR driver but maybe there was something in the contract, or RBR just decided to let him go if he was unhappy in a project that was very important to them. At the same time it was a sweetener for Renault to agree to the swap. They possibly did not want to bring him when Ricciardo left if he was negative about the swap. Gasly shone against his team mate and had alot of experience with Honda. It was an obvious choice. When Gasly races against Kvyat we will find out if Harltley was a poor benchmark, or Gasly just struggled with the pressure.Sieper wrote: ↑12 Aug 2019, 20:44Ofcourse that is also just an opinion. All written here, unless a link is given to the actual fact, is an opinion. One that I too disagree with. Ricciardo left (imho right) as he thought that via doing well at Renault he would be in contention for a top Seat (If not Renault would reach that status itself) The money was just a bonus. I take it you are a Ricciardo fan? I am a Verstappen fan myself and i don’t think Ricciardo was politicked out of the team. For Sainz, Yes that was a choice not to use him, I agree they must have known Gasly would not be of his level. But it was the Sainz family back in 2017 who played the politics. They tried to get Verstappen out by planting rumours via la marca. Redbull wasn’t having that.Ground Effect wrote: ↑12 Aug 2019, 18:18Sieper wrote: ↑12 Aug 2019, 17:30
You spent the first two sentences chastising others for giving their opinion (everybody knows that, just opinion, this is an opne forum we don't need to type imho, imho, imho imho after every sentence to make that clear, do we? I feel that Imho that is not needed. Even going as far as to ridicule that (what colour socks) and then you simply continue onwards to give YOUR own opinion. I for one highly disagree with your opinion that RB is highly political and plays games with drivers. They are highly about talent. But they have just two seats in the main team. Their young drivers program is always more then 2 seats. But look at how many ex RBR youth program talents are now in F1.
Obviously, I have no issues with Anyone giving an opinion, we do that everyday, like you said, I just gave my opinion. But when someone comes on hear and says Ricciardo left Red Bull because he wanted more money, that doesn't sound like an opinion.
The reason why I tend to believe there's politics in Red Bull is that if it was all about talent and performance, it would have been Max and Carlos in Red Bull at the start of 2019. There wasn't anything to suggest Gasly would be better, though Christian claimed they believed Gasly had a higher ceiling than Carlos, looked how that turned out.
I would think they will make it plain to Albon that he is there in a support role, at least for the rest of this season.Pyrone89 wrote: ↑12 Aug 2019, 23:32Would be extremely impressed with Albon if those ‘Valtteri, this is James’ style orders even have to come down more than in the occassional situation. Basically the only time Gasly defended a position this year was against his teammate, which was not smart given the context. Bit of of thing Massa tended to do in the Alonso years (be --- in defending except ehen teammate is behind).
