2019 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 06 - 08

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Re: 2019 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 06 - 08

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Yeah, this is really a disgrace.

IMO, all who did not cross the line in time should be penalized on the base of putting the sport into disrepute. The FIA clearly stated they'd give penalties for being unnecessarily slow and they actually applied those in F3. If they don't do the same here, they will lose a lot of credibility with the youngsters.
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A lof of drama over nothing, especially Helmut Marko demanding penalties. If they were so concerned about getting in a lap, maybe next time go out first?

Really can't have it both ways. Sometimes, it's beneficial to be out last, but then you also bear the risk that you might encounter a yellow flag or be slowed down... or not make it to the line in time.
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Singabule wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 16:37
Phil wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 16:33
Singabule wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 16:32
:evil: I prefer one hot lap for each driver like old days, the championship leader start first! Hell this qualy, wasting our time!
And if it rains and it's changeable conditions? Just tough luck of the draw, ey?
Yes, should be fair as its not decided by human
They do not have to be alone on the track just X seconds apart. Say 15.
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ringo wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 16:25
Rubbish Q3. :|
Ferrari were the only ones within right to wait out the time as they were already on Pole.
The others though.. that was really silly.
Nobody has the right to wait, on the other hand nobody should take the bullet and be the tow mule....The only solid solution would be to let the cars out in intervals. 10 cars mean 12 second interval per car and instruct them to go for full speed right from the end of the pits. Problem solved.
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Phil wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 16:32
Regarding possibly penalties and those teams moaning about being slowed down - sorry, but if they wait until the 2 minute clock and leave it that late, well, then they're all to blame for putting themselves in that mess. Fair game really.
Exactly EVERYONE pouring out with 2 minutes on the clock on 1’20 lap. It’s idiocy from all of them.

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just listening to the interview with Horner. He is saying that Hulk will obviously got a penalty because you are not allowed to overtake and that he cause whole clusterf***? wtf?

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turbof1 wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 16:37
Yeah, this is really a disgrace.

IMO, all who did not cross the line in time should be penalized on the base of putting the sport into disrepute. The FIA clearly stated they'd give penalties for being unnecessarily slow and they actually applied those in F3. If they don't do the same here, they will lose a lot of credibility with the youngsters.
The problem is that Vettels time was not deleted, since he drove off the track in the same way as Albon did. Albon lost it, Vettel as far as i know will keep it. The whole decision making and rule enforcing is a farce.
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Big Tea wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 16:38
They do not have to be alone on the track just X seconds apart. Say 15.
I'm sure the last thing the sport needs is more micro management. It's already overregulated. You guys are overreacting because of one single qualifying session. Think about the consequences of having more regulations. And for those asking for penalties, wouldn't that be ruining a potentially fantastic race tomorrow?
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El Scorchio wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 16:36
Can't fully remember, but did the Renault leave first, then immediately drive (not at anything like a good pace) down the escape road in order to avoid leading the pack? That's not on.
Just copied what Vettel did before
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Big Tea wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 16:38
Singabule wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 16:37
Phil wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 16:33


And if it rains and it's changeable conditions? Just tough luck of the draw, ey?
Yes, should be fair as its not decided by human
They do not have to be alone on the track just X seconds apart. Say 15.
Good idea. Track battle on qualy day, what a stupid wish. Qualy is a time trial!

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proteus wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 16:39
ringo wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 16:25
Rubbish Q3. :|
Ferrari were the only ones within right to wait out the time as they were already on Pole.
The others though.. that was really silly.
Nobody has the right to wait, on the other hand nobody should take the bullet and be the tow mule....The only solid solution would be to let the cars out in intervals. 10 cars mean 12 second interval per car and instruct them to go for full speed right from the end of the pits. Problem solved.
I think a better solution is to apply a red pitlane light at a certain time before the end of the session. If you haven't exited the pitlane when the red is on, too bad: you aren't allowed to exit anymore. Then let them decide on their own how they want to handle the tow with ample time on the board.
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NathanOlder wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 16:28
Juzh wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 16:17
a bunch of f**king retards, entire f1 grid. all of them. just no other way to put it. f**k em all. if im paying for ticket on the stands i'd be burning the whole place down.
Wasn't that bad, they all played a game, and it finished the way it did. I found it very entertaining.
something like this is what i wanted to see:
https://youtu.be/bYEaDZf9KlA

and not the shambles we got instead.

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Re: 2019 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 06 - 08

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NathanOlder wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 16:41
El Scorchio wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 16:36
Can't fully remember, but did the Renault leave first, then immediately drive (not at anything like a good pace) down the escape road in order to avoid leading the pack? That's not on.
Just copied what Vettel did before
Exactly. Picking out 1 team or driver for that is missing the point that they ALL screwed this up.

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proteus wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 16:40
turbof1 wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 16:37
Yeah, this is really a disgrace.

IMO, all who did not cross the line in time should be penalized on the base of putting the sport into disrepute. The FIA clearly stated they'd give penalties for being unnecessarily slow and they actually applied those in F3. If they don't do the same here, they will lose a lot of credibility with the youngsters.
The problem is that Vettels time was not deleted, since he drove off the track in the same way as Albon did. Albon lost it, Vettel as far as i know will keep it. The whole decision making and rule enforcing is a farce.
There was a replay showing he barely touched the white line with his front right tyre, so technically he was within limits. I think.
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Restomaniac wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 16:37
So imagine Hulk doesn’t block? They left the pits with 2 minutes to go which means they would still be all over each other even if they go to the line.

Want to make the line? Don’t leave the pits with 2 minutes to go on a 1’20 GP.
Hulkenberg wasn't blocking he went strait at turn 1.

Stroll and Sainz (I believe) turned their cars into a moving road block form the entrance of 2 to part way through turn 3. They are both likely to get a penalty. The only reason anyone made it past the line was because McLaren gave Sainz the get moving call, and that broke the roadblock.

Hulkenberg could also get a penalty, because if memory serves their is a rule about leaving the track limits unnecessarily.
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