2019 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 06 - 08

[turbof1]

And for the record, there was space. Like Hollus said, you could put 2 wheels off road on the tarmac run offs. There were corners you could cut because apparently that was allowed (?). No, the guys behind weren't blocked. They had no intention to get in front. Atleast in my opinion.

As if putting 2 wheels in the grass to try and squeeze by is a good idea. You spin off, and get a penalty for dangerous driving.

I did clarify by stating tarmac run offs. And apparently corner cutting was allowed (even though I don't agree it should be).

[NathanOlder]

It's ok to disagree. I also somewhat understand your viewpoint, but IMO they all are responsible for the mess. They all went out the last moment and they all were doing the "after you! No please, after you!" game. That's on all of them and they should be penalized for it. Only Sainz knew where that was going. EDIT: well, maybe Sainz should also be punished in hindsight.

When you go out literally doesn't matter, you are allowed to go out and take a slop lap as long as you are above the medium speed. However, you cannot block other drivers.

This is right as hulk decided to go strait, and should probably be a penalty, as he was crawling, and thus left the track unnecessarily. Notice the distance back to Hamilton just exiting the pits.

Why don’t they just say “you have two runs in each session and stewards literally tell them when to leave the pits at defined intervals of, say, 5 secs (perhaps in a randomly generated order), and just forget the whole timing aspect of the session?

Moto3 and F3 are like this nearly every race, its nothing new. The FIA push for cars that can follow closely, this is what happens. Its part of the game, it wont happen again, the teams will learn from their mistakes, its nothing to worry about.

Only Seb fans will be angry at this.

[El Scorchio]

There was a replay showing he barely touched the white line with his front right tyre, so technically he was within limits. I think.

Did he though? It's not that clear from those images and if they don't have any other camera angles then it's quite questionable how they enforce the track limits there - it was probably rather a "maybe he was still in?" combined with them not having the balls to scrap his time for obvious reasons

I'm waiting for HD video material to put some lines on the car and wheels because i don't trust the low res screenshot that is going around on twitter (whether it's the proper frame + bad quality)

Looks like he didn't "touch". His tyre is outer edge is hanging over the white line. What are the rules in tennis and soccer about that?

The rules in tennis and football are different. Football is about whether the whole of the ball breaks a vertical plane or not. Tennis is about whether the ball, when it bounces, makes contact with any part of the line or not. For me, the tennis interpretation is more sensible and easily enforcable here, due to the nature of the sport and available camera angles etc.

[Restomaniac]

Hulk under investigation for leaving the track without justifiable reason in T1

Now that I agree with.

[turbof1]

Did he though? It's not that clear from those images and if they don't have any other camera angles then it's quite questionable how they enforce the track limits there - it was probably rather a "maybe he was still in?" combined with them not having the balls to scrap his time for obvious reasons

I'm waiting for HD video material to put some lines on the car and wheels because i don't trust the low res screenshot that is going around on twitter (whether it's the proper frame + bad quality)

Looks like he didn't "touch". His tyre is outer edge is hanging over the white line. What are the rules in tennis and soccer about that?

The rules in tennis and football are different. Football is about whether the whole of the ball breaks a vertical plane or not. Tennis is about whether the ball, when it bounces, makes contact with any part of the line or not. For me, the tennis interpretation is more sensible and easily enforcable here, due to the nature of the sport and available camera angles etc.

F1 does not have Hawk-eye though

[Big Tea]

Did he though? It's not that clear from those images and if they don't have any other camera angles then it's quite questionable how they enforce the track limits there - it was probably rather a "maybe he was still in?" combined with them not having the balls to scrap his time for obvious reasons

I'm waiting for HD video material to put some lines on the car and wheels because i don't trust the low res screenshot that is going around on twitter (whether it's the proper frame + bad quality)

Looks like he didn't "touch". His tyre is outer edge is hanging over the white line. What are the rules in tennis and soccer about that?

The rules in tennis and football are different. Football is about whether the whole of the ball breaks a vertical plane or not. Tennis is about whether the ball, when it bounces, makes contact with any part of the line or not. For me, the tennis interpretation is more sensible and easily enforcable here, due to the nature of the sport and available camera angles etc.

It is more akin to Rugby. The rule there is grounded over the line. and on the line being over the line.

[MtthsMlw]

Ham onboard with radio

via u/Aratho

[F1NAC]

Looks like he didn't "touch". His tyre is outer edge is hanging over the white line. What are the rules in tennis and soccer about that?

The rules in tennis and football are different. Football is about whether the whole of the ball breaks a vertical plane or not. Tennis is about whether the ball, when it bounces, makes contact with any part of the line or not. For me, the tennis interpretation is more sensible and easily enforcable here, due to the nature of the sport and available camera angles etc.

F1 does not have Hawk-eye though

cover whole circuit with drones for orthophoto

[Restomaniac]

I rather enjoyed this game of chicken.

Q1: everyone comes out at 3:00. Plenty of margin.
Q2: everyone comes out at 2:15. Still enough margin.
Q3: everyone comes out at 2:00. Oops.

Biggest loser was RBR. They should have sent Albon out at 4:00. He had a good chance for P5 without a tow and probably wouldn't have ended up higher than that anyway.

True but the second RedBull pull that trigger everyone uses Albon for his tow. That was the problem.

[NathanOlder]

The rules in tennis and football are different. Football is about whether the whole of the ball breaks a vertical plane or not. Tennis is about whether the ball, when it bounces, makes contact with any part of the line or not. For me, the tennis interpretation is more sensible and easily enforcable here, due to the nature of the sport and available camera angles etc.

F1 does not have Hawk-eye though

cover whole circuit with drones for orthophoto

But the drones for that corner would have all been wiped out in the Formula 3

[MtthsMlw]

Hulk under investigation for leaving the track without justifiable reason in T1

Now that I agree with.

Leclerc did exacly the same in the first runs in Q3, Vettel also cut the chicane but he locked up.
https://streamable.com/9mdce

[dans79]

Ham onboard with radio
https://streamable.com/if280
via u/Aratho

Holly hell, what was hulk thinking Lewis nearly ran into the back of him.

[Xwang]

If I were FIA, I would order the Q3 teams to pay the money to refund the cost of tickets to people on the stands (in case detracting the sum from the FOM prizes).

[notsofast]

I rather enjoyed this game of chicken.

Q1: everyone comes out at 3:00. Plenty of margin.
Q2: everyone comes out at 2:15. Still enough margin.
Q3: everyone comes out at 2:00. Oops.

Biggest loser was RBR. They should have sent Albon out at 4:00. He had a good chance for P5 without a tow and probably wouldn't have ended up higher than that anyway.

True but the second RedBull pull that trigger everyone uses Albon for his tow. That was the problem.

At 4:00? I don't think so.

[Spacepace]

They do not have to be alone on the track just X seconds apart. Say 15.

I'm sure the last thing the sport needs is more micro management. It's already overregulated. You guys are overreacting because of one single qualifying session. Think about the consequences of having more regulations. And for those asking for penalties, wouldn't that be ruining a potentially fantastic race tomorrow?

Agreed