2019 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 06 - 08

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Re: 2019 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 06 - 08

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Yep, Bottas is 100% porridge.

Can't really say Leclerc deserved a penalty, but it was definitely borderline. The blocking at Curva Grande was almost more egregious than the corner cut or forcing off under brakes.

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the race could have been even much better than it was, had it not been for verstappen clipping his wing and vettel's brain fade... well, you take what you can get.

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DarkSurferZA wrote:
08 Sep 2019, 16:18
You may be right. he does it off track too, so I guess I am biased when he talks. Love watching him on track though.
they all do it, so yes why do you notice him? :? He doesn't 'moan' off track either :wink:

Anyway good battle, deserved winner today. Charles did Seb a lot of damage today, and Ferrari won the race they really, really needed to.

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Quite an exciting race until Lewis' tyres went off. Poor call from Mercedes on tyre choice. even if Lewis got past he would've been a siting duck later on in the race, hard tyres as the correct call as executed by Ferrari. Charles used that Ferrari immunity card well today pushing Lewis off the track then cracked by cutting the chicane to keep the lead. Its as expected but the championship is all that matters that will go to Lewis.

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Bill_Kar wrote:
08 Sep 2019, 16:37
siskue2005 wrote:
08 Sep 2019, 16:35
Leclerc did not leave Lewis any room and squeezed him off the track at high speed when he was alongside him.
He blocked him during Curva Grande and moved under braking.
He locked up and cut the chicane.

He shouldnt have won like this. Its disappointing.
I wonder what was the point of the warning.
He basically got another warning under the radar after he already was shown the flag. The flag itself already was a joke.

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Re: 2019 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 06 - 08

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Martin baiting Lewis wanting him to call Leclerc dangerous
Hamilton, wise and respectful enough not to comment on the dirty driving just now.

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Too much people forget what happened in Canada and the outcry from drivers themselves. If they penalized leclerc like many people are wishing it would be the same situation.

So good job by the stewards anyways. Just cause Hamilton didn’t win it’s not enough of a reason to go on a penalty spree
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cooken wrote:
08 Sep 2019, 16:41
Can't really say Leclerc deserved a penalty, but it was definitely borderline. The blocking at Curva Grande was almost more egregious than the corner cut or forcing off under brakes.
I would say he simply learned from the penultimate lap in Austria.

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Just_a_fan wrote:
08 Sep 2019, 16:38
Hamilton made the race interesting. He kept the pressure on Leclerc for the whole race. Without that, it would have been a fairly boring race.
Good point, we really have been spoiled recently with good close races

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Ferrari can't take a guy who messed up so badly at Monza two years in a row (amongst many many other mistakes) and put any faith in him to continue being a no.1. Seb isn't going to be happy taking a no.2 role, nor a massive drop from 30mil a year and Ferrari can't offer a guy a new contract on say 5mil a year to be a no.2 behind Leclerc who is plainly faster despite lack of experience. leclerc will get faster as Max continued to do so, Vettel won't.

Most drivers in Vettel's position generally see being offered a no.2 role and a huge step down in wage a bit of a slap in the face, but every other top team would have to be mad to take him. Do RBR want Vettel acting like a no.1 or demanding 20+mil a year just to be slower than Max? I just can't see how Vettel stays in F1 unless he drops down a team and takes a huge pay cut but as said, I don't see him wanting that either. I think he'll see out his contract next year then leave.

Ferrari can't take a guy who messed up so badly at Monza two years in a row (amongst many many other mistakes) and put any faith in him to continue being a no.1. I just see no where left for him to turn.

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I’m so happy for Leclerc. Amazing driver and another amazing performance.

Beautiful how the Tifosi color the track. Pity I’m not there this time!

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So, what was different between Verstappen-Bottas 2018 Monza and the Leclerc-Hamilton 2019 incident this year?

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siskue2005 wrote:
08 Sep 2019, 16:53
So, what was different between Verstappen-Bottas 2018 Monza and the Leclerc-Hamilton 2019 incident this year?
Weak stewards who didn't have the guts to black flag Vettel or give Leclerc a penalty, that simple really.

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drunkf1fan wrote:
08 Sep 2019, 16:54
siskue2005 wrote:
08 Sep 2019, 16:53
So, what was different between Verstappen-Bottas 2018 Monza and the Leclerc-Hamilton 2019 incident this year?
Weak stewards who didn't have the guts to black flag Vettel or give Leclerc a penalty, that simple really.
Easy answer:

Verstappen was not driving a Ferrari. :lol:

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Juzh wrote:
08 Sep 2019, 16:33
for once ferrari's straight line speed was simply too much to handle.

As a side note. verstappen couldnt pass perez for like 25 laps sitting in his drs. That new merc engine is no slouch.
Wasn't Perez running a brand new spec 2 Mercedes engine? Just curious
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