Changes To Qualifying

[siskue2005]

so according to this new rule, If you manage to stay last in the championship by the Monaco race, then you will win it..no problem! lol
So in this year's championship Kubica would have won the Monaco race!

[strad]

How about a link to whereever the "here" is that says this?

Jeeez ya thing I make this up?
The Sun

FORMULA ONE bosses are planning to spice up Sunday's races by ditching qualifying and having a separate mini race to determine the grid.
The radical shake-up is set to be introduced next season as part of the new rules after getting the green light from team bosses at the Italian GP.

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RaceFan

Formula 1’s managing director of motorsport Ross Brawn says he wants to test changes to the race weekend format during the 2020 season.
Brawn said next season would offer the best opportunity to evaluate changes to F1’s sporting regulations ahead of the major technical changes planned in 2021.“I’d like to see in ’20 us try a few things,” he told Sky. “I think in ’20 we’ve got a stable platform in terms of the cars, things aren’t changing that much.
“I think ’20 could be a good opportunity, perhaps at one or two races, to try some variations. I don’t see any other way that we logically progress the race format.

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Express

F1 is set for a big change next season with qualifying set to be scrapped.
Ferrari team principal Mattia Binotto revealed the revamp to the system which has been agreed by all teams after a secret vote took place.

@Just a Fan .. Ya want more?

[strad]

I don't understand the fuzz about the Monza qualifying

I think the concern is that they made F1 look like a farce and embarrassed F1 in front of the world.

[wesley123]

well Race1 is going to be 100km so if Lewis/Max/Charles can't make up any places in that time then a new PU isn't going to save them and nobody will care!

Except they can simply add another engine to the pool without any penalties, giving them an extra engine allowing them to run higher engine modes.

The idea is they'll make it up to 8th or whatever in Race1, they won't want to start all over again from the back.

There are enough tracks on the calendar where overtaking is difficult.

And outside of that. So then they will start eight for example, it'll be virtually no effort to get to the front, rendering the whole idea completely pointless.

[izzy]

well Race1 is going to be 100km so if Lewis/Max/Charles can't make up any places in that time then a new PU isn't going to save them and nobody will care!

Except they can simply add another engine to the pool without any penalties, giving them an extra engine allowing them to run higher engine modes.

The idea is they'll make it up to 8th or whatever in Race1, they won't want to start all over again from the back.

There are enough tracks on the calendar where overtaking is difficult.

And outside of that. So then they will start eight for example, it'll be virtually no effort to get to the front, rendering the whole idea completely pointless.

They won't start Sunday at the back unless they've crashed out of Race1, and even then it's an easy rule to fix. FIA can be stupid sometimes but not that stupid For Monaco and perhaps one or two others they'll do something different, plus the 2021 cars should follow and pass more easily. And from 8th the it's fastest midfield ahead, so the top drivers will probably get through but not all together. Some will do it better than others. The guy and team who win on Sunday will have done the best job of overtaking, racecraft, strategy, all the things we like to admire.

The starting point for it is that up to now qualifying means cars start the race basically in speed order, and that means Lewis or whoever gets to T1 in the lead in nice cool still air and cruises off into the distance. This is an idea to make it more interesting. It's a more severe test of skill isn't it? That's why the F1 teams have gone for it. Not random or artificial it's just more of a challenge.

It's new of course, but so was halo, that everyone freaked over to begin with

[TimW]

I don't understand the fuzz about the Monza qualifying

I think the concern is that they made F1 look like a farce and embarrassed F1 in front of the world.

Yes I understand it the depends on the viewer if you perceive it as a farce. I guess that may have been the majority of the viewers in this case.

[Big Tea]

So, cars 1-50 race clockwise and 51 to 99 counterclockwise to improve passing. It does not matter which direction they pass, does it?

[wesley123]

They won't start Sunday at the back unless they've crashed out of Race1

Or if they haven't overtaken anyone.

and even then it's an easy rule to fix.

Okay, how?

The guy and team who win on Sunday will have done the best job of overtaking, racecraft, strategy, all the things we like to admire.

Just like it is now

The starting point for it is that up to now qualifying means cars start the race basically in speed order,

Seems like the point of qualifying. It's also a big --- you to the teams that put so much money and effort into it.

and that means Lewis or whoever gets to T1 in the lead in nice cool still air and cruises off into the distance.

Doesn't happen all that often really.

This is an idea to make it more interesting.

Nah. It's a mockery of the whole sport and all the effort teams and drivers put in.

It's a more severe test of skill isn't it?

Not really. All it does is make drivers drive past each other more often. It doesn't add more skill or more battles.

That's why the F1 teams have gone for it.

The teams wouldn't agree with this.

Not random or artificial it's just more of a challenge.

This is literally the definition of artificial; Altering an event and introducing a weird feature with the intent of creating something desirable that might not occur in a regular race.

It's new of course, but so was halo, that everyone freaked over to begin with

This has nothing to do with it being 'something new'

[Big Tea]

Would there be points for this position race too?

[izzy]

The teams wouldn't agree with this.

This is literally the definition of artificial; Altering an event and introducing a weird feature with the intent of creating something desirable that might not occur in a regular race.

The teams have agreed it, according to Mattia. They've obviously seen that it's not weird and is the same for everyone, except for the shift in skillset from cruising at the front to overtaking cleanly. The best car/team/driver will win the championship, as long as their racecraft is F1 awesome.

[izzy]

Would there be points for this position race too?

i think not, just the grid slot afaik, tho who knows they could change their minds. At this point it's basically a leak, tho by the TP of Ferrari and openly. FOM will say something tomorrow I expect

[wesley123]

The teams wouldn't agree with this.

This is literally the definition of artificial; Altering an event and introducing a weird feature with the intent of creating something desirable that might not occur in a regular race.

The teams have agreed it, according to Mattia.

I stand corrected.

They've obviously seen that it's not weird and is the same for everyone, except for the shift in skillset from cruising at the front to overtaking cleanly.

I'm very certain that driving at the front isn't all that much easier. And there has been a lot of overtaking already. I really don't know how many --- overtakes they want. Maybe the viewers should look further down the field rather than just the first three drivers.

That's literally the sole problem, by the way; It's viewers. Who for some reason link the amount of cars driving past each other as 'excitement'. There is so much more to racing that will be lost because of F1 management chasing viewers that cannot possibly be pleased.

The best car/team/driver will win the championship, as long as their racecraft is F1 awesome.

Except not really.

[izzy]

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I'm very certain that driving at the front isn't all that much easier. And there has been a lot of overtaking already. I really don't know how many --- overtakes they want. Maybe the viewers should look further down the field rather than just the first three drivers.

That's literally the sole problem, by the way; It's viewers. Who for some reason link the amount of cars driving past each other as 'excitement'. There is so much more to racing that will be lost because of F1 management chasing viewers that cannot possibly be pleased.

The best car/team/driver will win the championship, as long as their racecraft is F1 awesome.

Except not really.

Perhaps the problem is viewers who don't like change . Have you forgotten the early races this season? Anyway they're gonna do it so we shall see. I do agree F1 is great at the moment, just it can be even better and starting in basically inverse speed order instead of speed order I'm expecting to be amazing, personally. If you can say at the end of it the winner wasn't the best then that'll be amazing too

[KeiKo403]

So when we have a great race on Sundays it's sometimes due to limited Friday running. In these circumstances Saturdays 60 minute practice is split for quali/race setup. This 60 minutes represents 25% of a normal weekends practice time, some of which would be red flagged or time spent in garages changing setups etc. Take that into account and having a race on Saturday will give teams sooooo much tyre and car data that Sundays race could end up being terrible.

In Friday/Saturday practice teams can try to figure out where they are relative to others but in a race teams will know how much fuel is being carried etc giving them all a better understanding of where they are. I think Sundays races will be duller.

Also, does this mean that with the addition of this years change to introduce a point for fastest lap that we're pretty much guaranteed to never see another grand slam again under these proposed rules?

[henry]

The recently reintroduced black and white flag might get quite a lot of use given that there will be more racing for positions than at present. Right now the second division cars make little effort to contest places with the first division. They reason that their race is with each other and time lost to the inevitable pass by a Ferrari or Mercedes is time wasted in their real battles. In a reverse grid race they will always be racing for position.

It would be useful if the b&w flag occurrences were limited to one per weekend which might limit the sort of professional foul Leclerc practised on Hamilton.

I thought I’d be against this concept but some of the posts above have made me think it might be interesting.