2019 Singapore Grand Prix - Marina Bay, 20-22 September

[GPR-A]

I think he's just sour because it seems that RB is not all that quick after all (possibly).

no RB would never lose 0.7 to 1.0s on mercedes on a long run.

my guess is Hamilton was checking how long the tyres will hold if you push hard on the Softs, this could come into play if Mercedes thinking of doing Q2 on Mediums and do the last laps to push should Verstappen or a Ferrari be within they're pit window, so they can close the gap and overtake the driver ahead at that moment

this shows the Bottas long run aswell .... conservative on the Mediums (avg. low 1.47.xxx) and Bottas hs run on the Soft

Verstappens longruns were conservative all the way, on the softs aswell on the hard tyre..... which could suggest start on the soft, changing to hard tyres

never?? I think it happens quite often

It is very difficult to make Red Bull fans understand. They saw that in Hungary, but most don't want to believe.

Bottas has always been mediocre in Singapore and his times should not be a reference of the car's speed on any type of tyres that he was running. In both 2017 and 2018, he was over 7 tenths slower than Lewis in qualifying.

[Capharol]

I think he's just sour because it seems that RB is not all that quick after all (possibly).

no RB would never lose 0.7 to 1.0s on mercedes on a long run.

my guess is Hamilton was checking how long the tyres will hold if you push hard on the Softs, this could come into play if Mercedes thinking of doing Q2 on Mediums and do the last laps to push should Verstappen or a Ferrari be within they're pit window, so they can close the gap and overtake the driver ahead at that moment

this shows the Bottas long run aswell .... conservative on the Mediums (avg. low 1.47.xxx) and Bottas hs run on the Soft

Verstappens longruns were conservative all the way, on the softs aswell on the hard tyre..... which could suggest start on the soft, changing to hard tyres

never?? I think it happens quite often

yeah then show me where in this season where RB was so far off the pace at the start of the race ..... I am not talking about different tyres or older tyre scenarios or due to traffic....

so the measuring can only be done at the start of a race both on the same tyre....

@GPR-A we know you dislike RB so i ignore your further comments or they are helpfull (which in this case they aren't)

Edit: i am not a real RB fan, because i don't preffer any team above another one compared to you and any other here
I admit Mercedes were faster in FP2 and on the long run but i go through every possible scenario instead of some that only focussing on the laptimes

[GPR-A]

@GPR-A we know you dislike RB

More apt way of putting it is, "I don't blindly follow a team or a driver and feel no obligation to fight useless arguments for them".

You should go and check out the pace the Lewis has shown in France, Silverstone and Hungary to get a feel of Mercedes' race in Lewis' hands. For instance, he bolted the fastest lap of the race in Silverstone with a 32 laps old Hard tyres. If that didn't raise eyebrows, then people aren't paying attention.

[zibby43]

The idea of not pushing (in terms of driving, not the engine settings) seems silly to me.

If you are not pushing in practice 2 then you do not know how the tyres will last/perform in the race. You also do not know how the setup will perform in the race.

that depends on the goal set from the team... do they want to really do a 1 stopper or maybe focussing on a possible 2 stopper.
at first a 2 stopper looks slow but we've seen in Hungary what a 2nd stop can do (although its harder here to overtake)
but look at the laptimes of Bottas and Hamilton and ask yourself.... why is Bottas so far of the pace compared to Hamilton, despite they having the same car ..... my guess because they went through 2 scenarios

You do NOT want to do a 2-stopper in Singapore. Big time loss.

[dtro]

No, Leclerc was way off on the softs. They had similar pace on the mediums but with only 2 laps we can't be sure.

My mistake, meant mediums- even after more than half a race season I still go with the old colors

Haha don't worry. I'm still getting confused some times as well

That being said, I know it was hard for new fans to learn, but I liked last year's colouring.
Maybe shades could be improved a bit, but the idea of knowing compounds right away just by looking was satisfying. Now I don't even know what compounds they use at each track.

Good to know I'm not the only one haha

I liked when we had several colours too- trading soft-ultra-hyper for C3-Cwhatever is way more obnoxious for new fans if that was the intention with the change.

McLaren looking like double points might be on offer if they get a good quali session in (thread relevance!) boom.

[Capharol]

Sergio Perez reprimanded for Kevin Magnussen incident in FP2

https://www.motorsportweek.com/news/id/ ... um=twitter

[Capharol]

The idea of not pushing (in terms of driving, not the engine settings) seems silly to me.

If you are not pushing in practice 2 then you do not know how the tyres will last/perform in the race. You also do not know how the setup will perform in the race.

that depends on the goal set from the team... do they want to really do a 1 stopper or maybe focussing on a possible 2 stopper.
at first a 2 stopper looks slow but we've seen in Hungary what a 2nd stop can do (although its harder here to overtake)
but look at the laptimes of Bottas and Hamilton and ask yourself.... why is Bottas so far of the pace compared to Hamilton, despite they having the same car ..... my guess because they went through 2 scenarios

You do NOT want to do a 2-stopper in Singapore. Big time loss.

I agree zibby, but maybe Mercedes see tyre-deg gone higher as expected

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yeah then show me where in this season where RB was so far off the pace at the start of the race ..... I am not talking about different tyres or older tyre scenarios or due to traffic...

it could be about tire temperature. Mercedes for example had the quickest car throughout 2017 - but in Singapore they were nowhere, purely because they couldn't get the tires into the operating window. Red Bull usually doesn't have problems with that, but Singapore is special in that regard.

Gasly was far quicker than Verstappen on hards, so you're obviously right that this is not Red Bull's normal showing - but it doesn't necessarily mean that they were deliberately going slow or something like that.

[Capharol]

yeah then show me where in this season where RB was so far off the pace at the start of the race ..... I am not talking about different tyres or older tyre scenarios or due to traffic...

it could be about tire temperature. Mercedes for example had the quickest car throughout 2017 - but in Singapore they were nowhere, purely because they couldn't get the tires into the operating window. Red Bull usually doesn't have problems with that, but Singapore is special in that regard.

Gasly was far quicker than Verstappen on hards, so you're obviously right that this is not Red Bull's normal showing - but it doesn't necessarily mean that they were deliberately going slow or something like that.

might be and i am not claiming that it was the case, i see it that way and thats what i think happened and of course everybody else can have his thoughts about it aswell and share it with me and others and as long as it is a constructive argument we can talk all night about it.

but Verstappen already stated he was happy with the car and the performance of it and Verstappen is the first one to say when something doesn't suit him

edit: gonna check the laptimes of Gasly too but i don't know on which tyres he ran his longruns

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edit: gonna check the laptimes of Gasly too but i don't know on which tyres he ran his longruns

same as Verstappen, first Softs, then Hards. He had some slow laps in between (due to traffic, as he was stuck behind Raikkonen) but looked very quick at the beginning and at the end

[Capharol]

edit: gonna check the laptimes of Gasly too but i don't know on which tyres he ran his longruns

same as Verstappen, first Softs, then Hards. He had some slow laps in between (maybe due to traffic?!) but looked very quick at the beginning and at the end

I checked and they did similar times
VER (soft):
1.46.054
1.54.904 (traffic or something else)
1.45.667
1.45.887
1.45.974
1.45.763
GAS (soft):
1.46.950
1.45.897
1.45.953
1.46.163

so Gasly was a bit slower, but that makes me wonder .... is the TR so good here ?

[Capharol]

by the way Bottas saying he thinks the car wasn't 100%

“P2, not sure really what was going on, was lacking pace every single run, every tyre compound, so I’m not quite sure if everything was right in the car,” he said.

“We need to have a look. It felt like I couldn’t go any quicker, but I was one second off the pace. A bit tricky.

“The only thing I could really feel was quite a bit of friction in the steering system, struggled to feel the car properly.

“We’ll look at everything for sure, but I doubt everything was 100 percent. Obviously need to have a look at what I can do better as well.

if true i can dump my theory of doing different strategies... but we will know on sunday

[aral]

Some pointless posts have been removed. Could we please have less of this childish bickering?
Thanks

[NAPI10]

Hows tire degradation? Soft can hold long first stint?

[zibby43]

Merc has an extra set of mediums, which is interesting.