2019 Singapore Grand Prix - Marina Bay, 20-22 September

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Re: 2019 Singapore Grand Prix - Marina Bay, 20-22 September

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PlatinumZealot wrote:
21 Sep 2019, 22:25
MtthsMlw wrote:
21 Sep 2019, 21:03
Mini Sector comparison
https://streamable.com/vvoaw
Ok nice video.

It is clear that the Ferrari is winning on traction out of corners almost exclusively and it is not necessarily a downforce related thing as people might think. Every slow corner you see LeClerc on the throttle earlier with the car actually carrying itself through without under-steer. Look how calm his inputs are during this too! Great Work by Ferrari on the set-up. Differential, suspension and tyre pressures most likely. I think they will be back to normal form on a medium speed circuit though.

Funny, to me it looks like Leclerc is gaining a lot under braking and in the straights. Most corners Hamilton is faster, but can't overcome the Ferrari grunt in the straights.
Leclerc seems to be truly exceptional under braking. I would love to see a Leclerc vs Vettel comparison.

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Yes the ferrari has been showing good braking from the start of the year. For both vettel and leclerc i think.
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Hammerfist wrote:
22 Sep 2019, 04:30
PlatinumZealot wrote:
21 Sep 2019, 22:25
MtthsMlw wrote:
21 Sep 2019, 21:03
Mini Sector comparison
https://streamable.com/vvoaw
Ok nice video.

It is clear that the Ferrari is winning on traction out of corners almost exclusively and it is not necessarily a downforce related thing as people might think. Every slow corner you see LeClerc on the throttle earlier with the car actually carrying itself through without under-steer. Look how calm his inputs are during this too! Great Work by Ferrari on the set-up. Differential, suspension and tyre pressures most likely. I think they will be back to normal form on a medium speed circuit though.

Funny, to me it looks like Leclerc is gaining a lot under braking and in the straights. Most corners Hamilton is faster, but can't overcome the Ferrari grunt in the straights.
Leclerc seems to be truly exceptional under braking. I would love to see a Leclerc vs Vettel comparison.
I do not understand these interpretations. For me one thing is obvious: Looking at turn 3 and 5 Hamilton does not have his tires on temp in the last Q3 run. Better than in his first attempt, where Ham played games on the outlap again, but you can clearly see the car understeering in turn 3 and oversteering out of turn 5. Completely different behavior than in any further corner, that is where 0.2sec came from. With a bit more attack in the Empress section it could have easily been a Hamilton pole.
Same by the way for Vettel. He also lost S1 in turn 3. He then overdid two further corner, but the damage to loose against Leclerc was done already in turn 3. Looking at the approach to the final run he was very slow...no idea why.

Very interesting is the advantage at St Andrews (before turn 10): I watched part of FP3 between turn 8 and 9 and the Ferraris and Haas (not 100% sure about Sauber) were the only ones that charged the car before turn 9.It seems to me they take a bit of charging there to deploy more towards the next short straight.
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foxmulder_ms wrote:
22 Sep 2019, 02:19
ringo wrote:
22 Sep 2019, 02:06
Mercedes need to go long on the first stint to win this race.
Nope, they are gonna undercut and go for the hard.
Yes, the tires are more or less similar to last year and back then it was not a good strategy to try the undercut with the Ultrasoft (Medium now) as Vettel had to nurse his tires home and could not follow Verstappen on the Softs (Hard now) after lap 38 anymore.

The new Mediums will only play a role in case of a late Safetycar with ~20-25 laps to go.
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Re: 2019 Singapore Grand Prix - Marina Bay, 20-22 September

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Ferrari has some new bits and pieces on the car and they are working!

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djos wrote:
22 Sep 2019, 02:50
yelistener wrote:
21 Sep 2019, 16:04
WTF is happening? :shock:
He’s doing a Ricciardo to Vettel!
Vettel just doing a Vettel is more accurate. Sebs just not as good as he once appeared. :wink:
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Re: 2019 Singapore Grand Prix - Marina Bay, 20-22 September

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What the heck is going on here? Where are the black square boxes (blue arrow) in Leclerc's video, which are observable in Lewis' video? :) Poor camera on Ferrari?

The red arrow points to breaking marker (150 mts).

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GPR -A wrote:
22 Sep 2019, 08:27
What the heck is going on here? Where are the black square boxes (blue arrow) in Leclerc's video, which are observable in Lewis' video? :) Poor camera on Ferrari?

The red arrow points to breaking marker (150 mts).

https://i.imgur.com/klXXPjm.jpg
Leclerc is just too fast for the camera! :)

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NathanOlder wrote:
22 Sep 2019, 08:11
djos wrote:
22 Sep 2019, 02:50
yelistener wrote:
21 Sep 2019, 16:04
WTF is happening? :shock:
He’s doing a Ricciardo to Vettel!
Vettel just doing a Vettel is more accurate. Sebs just not as good as he once appeared. :wink:
Strange interpretation. If you look at the track improvement during Q3 it easily gained 0.5sec. Many drivers even improved by a second.
Means Vettels Q3 lap was still much better than what the others delivered on pure pace. There is nothing wrong with his pace.
The simple issue is that Vettel does not deliver anymore perfect second runs in Q3 like he did against Webber in the Redbull. This is his problem for him since he lost the diffuser blowing.
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GPR -A wrote:
22 Sep 2019, 08:27
What the heck is going on here? Where are the black square boxes (blue arrow) in Leclerc's video, which are observable in Lewis' video? :) Poor camera on Ferrari?

The red arrow points to breaking marker (150 mts).

https://i.imgur.com/klXXPjm.jpg
FOM either forgot to set the shutter speed of the onboard camera on Lewis' car to the usual speed, or they were doing it purposely to try something different.

I think the former is more likely. They went with low shutter speed since 2016 because they wanted the motion blur thing. We used to be able to pick up the letters from the kerbs in pre-2016 onboards because of the high shutter speed and low motion blur. Lewis' onboard camera yesterday apparently had very high shutter speed and the letters from the kerbs were so clear.
(I personally prefer low motion blur. The image doesn't feel as continuous (which 50fps can compensate), but more clear.

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I wonder if Ferrari will consider just going as slow as possible to avoid a pitstop window developing on the track, thus negating the undercut as an option and also preserving the tyres. A Merc Monaco special type thing.

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Tyre wear could be critical so I don't think Lewis can risk the undercut, I think his best bet is to go as long as possible, keep the pressure on Leclerc , make them work their tyres and hope Ferrari struggle with wear.

Mercedes race pace looks much faster than Ferrari, they should stay out of the dirty air until the pit window then apply pressure

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Unc1eM0nty wrote:
22 Sep 2019, 10:23
Tyre wear could be critical so I don't think Lewis can risk the undercut, I think his best bet is to go as long as possible, keep the pressure on Leclerc , make them work their tyres and hope Ferrari struggle with wear.

Mercedes race pace looks much faster than Ferrari, they should stay out of the dirty air until the pit window then apply pressure
Ferrari might sacrifice Vettel to push Hamilton in to a suboptimal strategy.
E.g. pitting Vettel very early forcing Merc to react while Leclerc goes on with a longer first stint.

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MtthsMlw wrote:
22 Sep 2019, 10:29
Unc1eM0nty wrote:
22 Sep 2019, 10:23
Tyre wear could be critical so I don't think Lewis can risk the undercut, I think his best bet is to go as long as possible, keep the pressure on Leclerc , make them work their tyres and hope Ferrari struggle with wear.

Mercedes race pace looks much faster than Ferrari, they should stay out of the dirty air until the pit window then apply pressure
Ferrari might sacrifice Vettel to push Hamilton in to a suboptimal strategy.
E.g. pitting Vettel very early forcing Merc to react while Leclerc goes on with a longer first stint.
It would be a sacrifice as well with Max & Valtteri in tow, i think they'll be applying pressure of their own.

It's a very short stint to the first corner as well, I doubt we'll see many position changes

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If Ferrari is bad on soft tyres, then Leclerc can jump on Hard earlier and Vettel should stay longer and blocks Hamilton's pace to allow Leclerc make a gap when Ham comes after first pit :?: