Changes To Qualifying

[ENGINE TUNER]

But your No 2 Driver could still bunch the field until you dispatch half the cars in front of you. It would probably become even more of a team game th
en, possibly including customers

How? The #2 driver would be starting at the back with the #1 driver unless he isn't scoring any points and that would compromise any chance at the constructors championship.

There is no way to game this system

[izzy]

I originally though a reverse grid was a gimmick but thinking it though, it would be difficult to claim that the winning driver at the end of the year would only be there because of his car. To win this championship you would need to pull off more overtakes than anyone across the whole year while keeping the car on on the track to score points. It would be hard to argue that the champion after 20 races was not the best combination of speed and racecraft.

You couldn't screw with the system, you couldn't luck into a championship by signing with the right team with a slow number 2 driver. You could only win by being fast and precise. It would go back to being a 50/50% split of car and driver in terms of overall performance instead of the 95/5% that we have today.

exactly. it's a more severe test of racing skill

[ENGINE TUNER]

He is an idiot but in fact he does get passed a lot without colliding

Not nearly enough!

lol, oh Kevin is soooooo lucky i'm not a steward

Another plus of a reverse wdc position grid sprint race will be more quickly weeding out crash happy drivers.

[izzy]

Another plus of a reverse wdc position grid sprint race will be more quickly weeding out crash happy drivers.

that's right! After a race or two Kmag and Romain will start at the FRONT on Saturday and have to get passed 16 times or whatever won't they. They'll have to get used to it or go and do something more suitable

[Big Tea]

But your No 2 Driver could still bunch the field until you dispatch half the cars in front of you. It would probably become even more of a team game th
en, possibly including customers

How? The #2 driver would be starting at the back with the #1 driver unless he isn't scoring any points and that would compromise any chance at the constructors championship.

There is no way to game this system

Everyone cant be last. Each driver would be in reverse order so if the 'A' driver was fastest, and the 'B' driver was 10th, once the 'A' driver caught up they could Pit for rubber and move on up together.

I think one of the comments on it was that each driver would only start last once, then that position would be removed from his options. So half the races would be started in the top half anyway.

[ENGINE TUNER]

But your No 2 Driver could still bunch the field until you dispatch half the cars in front of you. It would probably become even more of a team game th
en, possibly including customers

How? The #2 driver would be starting at the back with the #1 driver unless he isn't scoring any points and that would compromise any chance at the constructors championship.

There is no way to game this system

Everyone cant be last. Each driver would be in reverse order so if the 'A' driver was fastest, and the 'B' driver was 10th, once the 'A' driver caught up they could Pit for rubber and move on up together.

I think one of the comments on it was that each driver would only start last once, then that position would be removed from his options. So half the races would be started in the top half anyway.

Nope, reverse wdc position grid

[Big Tea]

How? The #2 driver would be starting at the back with the #1 driver unless he isn't scoring any points and that would compromise any chance at the constructors championship.

There is no way to game this system

Everyone cant be last. Each driver would be in reverse order so if the 'A' driver was fastest, and the 'B' driver was 10th, once the 'A' driver caught up they could Pit for rubber and move on up together.

I think one of the comments on it was that each driver would only start last once, then that position would be removed from his options. So half the races would be started in the top half anyway.

Nope, reverse wdc position grid

For the sprint race only, is it not? it is finishing order in that race for the grid

[ENGINE TUNER]

Everyone cant be last. Each driver would be in reverse order so if the 'A' driver was fastest, and the 'B' driver was 10th, once the 'A' driver caught up they could Pit for rubber and move on up together.

I think one of the comments on it was that each driver would only start last once, then that position would be removed from his options. So half the races would be started in the top half anyway.

Nope, reverse wdc position grid

For the sprint race only, is it not? it is finishing order in that race for the grid

Not the way I would do it, but yes, that way has been suggested.

[Just_a_fan]

If you applied the starting grid purely on the basis of the WDC position, drivers vying for the title would just plan their results to give themselves the best result in the last race. It would be possible to game the whole thing to ensure they started favourably compared to their rivals. And we could have the title winner taking the title by finishing 15th because his title rival finished 16th. Is that what people want?

[ENGINE TUNER]

If you applied the starting grid purely on the basis of the WDC position, drivers vying for the title would just plan their results to give themselves the best result in the last race. It would be possible to game the whole thing to ensure they started favourably compared to their rivals. And we could have the title winner taking the title by finishing 15th because his title rival finished 16th. Is that what people want?

Your silly post shows just how weak your position is.

There are currently no points rewarded for 15th place.

Do you really think someone would throw away points just so they could start 1 position higher in the sprint race on the last race weekend of the season?

2008, 9 and 2012 the champion finished 5th or lower in the last race. Not many people complained then.

[Just_a_fan]

If you applied the starting grid purely on the basis of the WDC position, drivers vying for the title would just plan their results to give themselves the best result in the last race. It would be possible to game the whole thing to ensure they started favourably compared to their rivals. And we could have the title winner taking the title by finishing 15th because his title rival finished 16th. Is that what people want?

Your silly post shows just how weak your position is.

There are currently no points rewarded for 15th place.

Do you really think someone would throw away points just so they could start 1 position higher in the sprint race on the last race weekend of the season?

2008, 9 and 2012 the champion finished 5th or lower in the last race. Not many people complained then.

Finishing 15th in the qualifying race, not the points race.

[izzy]

Finishing 15th in the qualifying race, not the points race.

if they finish 15th on Saturday they start 15th on Sunday. there's no way to game this system except, if FIA leave the points the same, they could throw the last-but-one race to be second in the championship going into Abu Dhabi. That'd improve their chances of a win gaining 7 points, by starting 19th on Saturday instead of 20th - not much of a winning gambit!!

it's a very pure, organic system with nothing artificial or gimmicky about it. The guy with the best speed and clean passing winzzz

[dans79]

If you applied the starting grid purely on the basis of the WDC position, drivers vying for the title would just plan their results to give themselves the best result in the last race. It would be possible to game the whole thing to ensure they started favourably compared to their rivals. And we could have the title winner taking the title by finishing 15th because his title rival finished 16th. Is that what people want?

Your silly post shows just how weak your position is.

There are currently no points rewarded for 15th place.

Do you really think someone would throw away points just so they could start 1 position higher in the sprint race on the last race weekend of the season?

2008, 9 and 2012 the champion finished 5th or lower in the last race. Not many people complained then.

read between the lines!

[dans79]

it's a very pure, organic system with nothing artificial or gimmicky about it. The guy with the best speed and clean passing winzzz

It's a complete garbage system as far as I'm concerned. Because the whole premise of it is if you're doing good we're going to penalize you.

[izzy]

It's a complete garbage system as far as I'm concerned. Because the whole premise of it is if you're doing good we're going to penalize you.

it doesn't penalise them at all over the season. Do you really not understand it? They accumulate points according to how many places they can make up over the weekend. Each winner gets penalised, to start with, then they reduce that penalty by overtaking. They can only win by being in the lead, at the end, and they have to do that by scoring as many points as they can. The top guys will make up some places on Saturday and some more on Sunday, every weekend.

Lewis might make up more places than Charles or Max, or whatever, without tangling, and if so he'll win. Win, not get penalised. If a midfield guy gets into the lead early on, he'll drop back again the very next weekend, with having to start last and not making up enough places

So we'll pretty quickly end up with Max, Charles and Lewis having a RACING competition, it'll be electric