Given Max’s angle and looking at the corner in question, i’d say Bottas would be carrying more speed throught the corner.Capharol wrote: ↑29 Oct 2019, 16:52for those still claiming there was no gap or there was no room left for Bottas to go .......
https://i.imgur.com/8BXzi4O.jpg
I just looked through the last 10 pages of this thread, and I see no one claiming their was no gap, or their was no place to go.
and this i put on top .....Hamilton said you had to be aware you are racing Verstappen and give him extra space, and alluded to the fact that he isn't the smartest racer. Vettel agreed. And Bottas declared the Red Bull driver came from nowhere in his overtake in the tight stadium section and could blame only himself for the puncture that ruined his race.
In reality, Verstappen's race was actually almost blameless.
Hamilton's notion that Verstappen "torpedoed' him at the start is well wide of the mark.
Actually, it was Hamilton who was bold in trying to pass Verstappen around the outside at the start. Hamilton ended up getting into a massive slide all on his own, and that forced Verstappen off on to the grass at Turn Three, along with the Mercedes.
This wasn't anything more than plain, hard racing. So finger-pointing at Verstappen post-race is just unfair. Verstappen was actually the innocent victim in that incident, which demoted him from his fourth place at the start down to eighth.
From there, Verstappen's move on Bottas consigned him to a race of recovery, but there was nothing wrong with that. It was a lovely overtake and - again - good, hard racing. Yes, it was aggressive, but Bottas has no right to be complaining about it.
Why do I get a feeling that it is Paul Di Resta there and not Palmer?Capharol wrote: ↑29 Oct 2019, 17:35and this i put on top .....
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/50222106
as was shown earlier in this thread.
The more I see it the more I'm convinced it did cause Hamilton to get his tail out.....dans79 wrote: ↑29 Oct 2019, 18:00as was shown earlier in this thread.
https://i.imgur.com/akUWpZ5.gif
I think the tail out, is from getting pushed onto the AstroTurf, and trying to slow down enough that he doesn't slam into the back of Vettel. I'd need to see the on-boards synced up with the overhead to be able to form a more educated opinion.Wass85 wrote: ↑29 Oct 2019, 18:05The more I see it the more I'm convinced it did cause Hamilton to get his tail out.....dans79 wrote: ↑29 Oct 2019, 18:00as was shown earlier in this thread.
https://i.imgur.com/akUWpZ5.gif
Fairly certain the tactic worked very well. Afterall, he was in front. What Japan was was returning the favor for Bottas having to let Hamilton get ahead in Singapore.Wass85 wrote: ↑28 Oct 2019, 15:40I'm not buying it, was he also putting it on when complaining in Suzuka? Looks like those tactics didn't work out for him there.wesley123 wrote: ↑28 Oct 2019, 13:34To play others out of a strategy. Give others the idea they can gain on him. Give false tactical information that the other teams might use in strategy calls. The thing is; He had pace in hand and always kept pace in hand, knowing that both Bottas and Leclerc still had to stop. They put in a huge bluff by having Hamilton as the sole one on this strategy; and it worked out perfectly, just like it has done before.
Max opened his steering, was the initial problem, not leaving space but steering wider to push Lewis offJolle wrote: ↑29 Oct 2019, 18:40If indeed Verstappen dive bombed Hamilton as he said, it would be the first dive bomb from in front. As I remember, Verstappen was in front and Hamilton was trying to overtake, Verstappen took quite a normal line and even left some space. No reckless driving but more a risky manoeuvre from Hamilton.
Seriously, where do you guys come up with this stuff?
Q: You said you were expecting a bit of action from Max early on in the race. Talk us through those opening corners?
LH: I actually got a really good start, so I was pulling up to Charles and Seb is coming across, coming across, coming across and I’m thinking ‘I’m on the white line, I don’t have anywhere further to go’. And he just keeps coming. So I had to avoid crashing with him, going on the grass. Avoid his wheels as well, otherwise I could have caused a big collision for him. Then I was surrounded by a bunch of cars, I braked into Turn 1, and all of a sudden Max is alongside me. If you’ve seen races before, I always leave Max a lot of space – it’s the smartest thing you can do. But there wasn’t a lot of space to give him space. I think he had an oversteer moment or something and then I got a massive hit from behind. Then I nearly took him out… SV: He hit you? LH: Yeah. We were going through the corner, you were about to go into Turn 2, my back end came out and I nearly took you out and then we went straight over the grass. It was hair-raising. SV: Ah, that’s why there was such a big gap and there was Albon all of a sudden… LH: Yeah, me and Max went through the grass together, came out and there were other cars coming by. I thought I was going to get hit by other cars. But I managed to get my bearings and keep my head down. I was not expecting to have that pace and to be able to keep up with the Ferraris but it worked and even with a damaged car. Obviously Seb went a lot further and I think so did Valtteri, he did a fantastic job to come from sixth. I thought I was going to struggle at the end with Seb, with 10-lap younger tyres. SV: More than 10. Was it just 10? LH: Maybe more than 10. But I just managed to save enough in the early phase while he was doing that long run, which I was able to utilise. Particularly those last seven laps were the important ones and I kept him behind.