2019 Brazilian Grand Prix - Interlagos, 15-17 November

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Sector times are a reliable method to measure power.all three manufacturers are about equal in sector 3 , Mercedes is slower than Honda & Ferrari in sector 1 by 0.2 tenth In Sochi Ferrari had an advantage of 0.6 in the straights so you can conclude fia clarification definitely clipped their wings. The clarification wasn't even necessary because the rules explicitly says whatever Ferrari was allegedly to doing is illegal which is c....

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The Red Bull once again looking like a great car late on in the season. Pick of the bunch at the moment?

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Just read the qualifying press conference, all 3 especially Verstappen and Vettel were at it like cat and dog.

I don't understand Hamilton's comments though when he says they are losing a big chunk of time to Red Bull on the straight?

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Wass85 wrote:
17 Nov 2019, 00:57
Just read the qualifying press conference, all 3 especially Verstappen and Vettel were at it like cat and dog.

I don't understand Hamilton's comments though when he says they are losing a big chunk of time to Red Bull on the straight?
Redbull has been pretty fast on the straights lately. All of a sudden the Honda PU seems to be even more powerful than the Mercedes. All eyes on Ferrari, but what’s at least as weird is Honda making such a huge jump and (in my opinion) overtaking the Mercedes powerwise.
As for Ferrari, it’s not really conclusive. In the acceleration phases they still are the clear number ones.

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LM10 wrote:
17 Nov 2019, 01:04
Wass85 wrote:
17 Nov 2019, 00:57
Just read the qualifying press conference, all 3 especially Verstappen and Vettel were at it like cat and dog.

I don't understand Hamilton's comments though when he says they are losing a big chunk of time to Red Bull on the straight?
Redbull has been pretty fast on the straights lately. All of a sudden the Honda PU seems to be even more powerful than the Mercedes. All eyes on Ferrari, but what’s at least as weird is Honda making such a huge jump and (in my opinion) overtaking the Mercedes powerwise.
As for Ferrari, it’s not really conclusive. In the acceleration phases they still are the clear number ones.
Well Max crying wolf could be a sign, those complaining about others cheating are usually the ones doing it as well. It happens like this in all other sports, boxing is a fine example of this.

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LM10 wrote:
17 Nov 2019, 01:04
Wass85 wrote:
17 Nov 2019, 00:57
Just read the qualifying press conference, all 3 especially Verstappen and Vettel were at it like cat and dog.

I don't understand Hamilton's comments though when he says they are losing a big chunk of time to Red Bull on the straight?
Redbull has been pretty fast on the straights lately. All of a sudden the Honda PU seems to be even more powerful than the Mercedes. All eyes on Ferrari, but what’s at least as weird is Honda making such a huge jump and (in my opinion) overtaking the Mercedes powerwise.
As for Ferrari, it’s not really conclusive. In the acceleration phases they still are the clear number ones.
Isn't what we saw today simply down to engine convergence as even Ric had awesome speed in some of the speedtraps ?
I hope so, cause with that and combined with the fact the engines will remain the same after 2020, we will likely see more pure racing .. just car specifics and driver talent.

What Mercedes have done over the last 6 yrs, hats off .. brilliantly played. But knowing already before the start in Australia that WCC is theirs, and Ham will crown WDC while we only do not know when, is just boring as f***.
Might be finally up to an era of some nailbiting championships .. I'd say it's time.
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Wass85 wrote:
17 Nov 2019, 01:11
Well Max crying wolf could be a sign, those complaining about others cheating are usually the ones doing it as well. It happens like this in all other sports, boxing is a fine example of this.
*headbonkondesk*
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Wass85 wrote:
17 Nov 2019, 01:11
LM10 wrote:
17 Nov 2019, 01:04
Wass85 wrote:
17 Nov 2019, 00:57
Just read the qualifying press conference, all 3 especially Verstappen and Vettel were at it like cat and dog.

I don't understand Hamilton's comments though when he says they are losing a big chunk of time to Red Bull on the straight?
Redbull has been pretty fast on the straights lately. All of a sudden the Honda PU seems to be even more powerful than the Mercedes. All eyes on Ferrari, but what’s at least as weird is Honda making such a huge jump and (in my opinion) overtaking the Mercedes powerwise.
As for Ferrari, it’s not really conclusive. In the acceleration phases they still are the clear number ones.
Well Max crying wolf could be a sign, those complaining about others cheating are usually the ones doing it as well. It happens like this in all other sports, boxing is a fine example of this.
Vettel is confused as well:

“I’m a bit surprised with the speed Honda had down the straights, I don’t know where that came from," he said. "I think it’s funny a little bit. I don’t know how."

“I think we have been fast down the straights for the entire season starting for the first couple of races and we are still fast and they haven’t been, and now they are.”

Alluding to Red Bull’s recent rule query over fuel flow metering - which Verstappen had quipped might have been the reason for Ferrari's Austin performance dip - Vettel joked: “I don’t know, maybe they need to make an explanation.”

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langedweil wrote:
17 Nov 2019, 01:16
LM10 wrote:
17 Nov 2019, 01:04
Wass85 wrote:
17 Nov 2019, 00:57
Just read the qualifying press conference, all 3 especially Verstappen and Vettel were at it like cat and dog.

I don't understand Hamilton's comments though when he says they are losing a big chunk of time to Red Bull on the straight?
Redbull has been pretty fast on the straights lately. All of a sudden the Honda PU seems to be even more powerful than the Mercedes. All eyes on Ferrari, but what’s at least as weird is Honda making such a huge jump and (in my opinion) overtaking the Mercedes powerwise.
As for Ferrari, it’s not really conclusive. In the acceleration phases they still are the clear number ones.
Isn't what we saw today simply down to engine convergence as even Ric had awesome speed in some of the speedtraps ?
Ricciardo's Renault has much less downforce than the Redbull. It's a regular thing to see midfield teams right at the top of the speed traps.

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Wass85 wrote:
17 Nov 2019, 00:57
Just read the qualifying press conference, all 3 especially Verstappen and Vettel were at it like cat and dog.

I don't understand Hamilton's comments though when he says they are losing a big chunk of time to Red Bull on the straight?
My guess: Mexico, Spielberg and Interlagos, are the highest circuits on the calendar. The renault and Honda engines seem to handle that better than the Merc.

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amus says Ferrari only gained a tenth over the Red Bull on the straights.

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... n-ferrari/
Charles Leclerc took the Red Bull on the straights just a tenth, the Mercedes two. The day before the delta was still seven or eight tenths.

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I dunno. I think the Honda has beenbgood in high altitude locations sincelast year. That may have something to do with it.
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LM10 wrote:
17 Nov 2019, 01:04
Wass85 wrote:
17 Nov 2019, 00:57
Just read the qualifying press conference, all 3 especially Verstappen and Vettel were at it like cat and dog.

I don't understand Hamilton's comments though when he says they are losing a big chunk of time to Red Bull on the straight?
Redbull has been pretty fast on the straights lately. All of a sudden the Honda PU seems to be even more powerful than the Mercedes. All eyes on Ferrari, but what’s at least as weird is Honda making such a huge jump and (in my opinion) overtaking the Mercedes powerwise.
As for Ferrari, it’s not really conclusive. In the acceleration phases they still are the clear number ones.
But it isn,t suddenly. Honda has been diligently working at it. They even showed a graph of where they feel they stand. Quite accurate I think. Must remember this is also at 600 meter above sea level, it mitigates performance advantages. Also, when a new spec is introduced they increase the performance in small steps.Honda has done that for 2 years now. They are still morbid for name damage. They suffered so bad in the passed.

What is suddenly is that Ferrari isn,t taking 1-2 by largish margins anymore.

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Helmut Marko about Redbull not going for an official protest eventually: "We contributed our part. Now it's Mercedes' turn. They know more than us about it anyway." :wtf:

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PlatinumZealot wrote:
17 Nov 2019, 01:53
I dunno. I think the Honda has beenbgood in high altitude locations sincelast year. That may have something to do with it.
But weren't Ferrari wrecking Honda and Mercedes on the straights in Mexico?