2019 Brazilian Grand Prix - Interlagos, 15-17 November

[Espresso]

one of the ferrari drivers need to get 2 points on their license too

The other one too for his move on Sainz in round 1.
Guess karma intervened and settled the bill.

[zeph]

Man, what a circus today!

That was very entertaining, lol.


I feel sorry for Albon, but there seems to be a whiff of poetic justice for Gasly, to get his first podium before Albon does.

[TAG]

That's always where the errors come from. Max has been fighting these guys with up to know inferior material, so pushing at least at 110%.
But now the tables are turning, or at least equalizing, everybody needs to do more racing, and in racing more errors are made .. at least more then when one's driving way up front with clean air and a 12sec buffer.
Most of the guys in the current pack are prone to the same errors when they need to race for it ..

I'm hoping that Red Bull start 2020 the way they're ending 2019. Seeing Max in a year long championship race, wondering if he'll race the way he does when there's a championship to lose.

[Andres125sx]

What a race!!!

First of all, congratulations to Gasly and Sainz for their very first podiums, even if the FIA didn´t allow Sainz to enjoy it live (it was pretty obvious Lewis would be penalized). And from last grid position! simply amazing

Then Ferrari... At the spanish broadcast they said, specially Toni Cuquerella, the guilty part is Ferrari because of allowing teammate battles. Normally I would agree, but when there´s a champion and the title is not in play I think it´s ok if they can fight. If we assume they were free to fight, then it´s Vettel fault 100%, there´s no reason to move to the left where his teammate was placed. Lecrerc did nothing wrong, he was perfectly straight and did nothing to cause the collision, nor had any chance to avoid it

I feel sad for Albon, when he finally make a good race improving his standard 6th position with 3rd best car, Hamilton ruins it. Ouch!

A great race overall

[siskue2005]

That's always where the errors come from. Max has been fighting these guys with up to know inferior material, so pushing at least at 110%.
But now the tables are turning, or at least equalizing, everybody needs to do more racing, and in racing more errors are made .. at least more then when one's driving way up front with clean air and a 12sec buffer.
Most of the guys in the current pack are prone to the same errors when they need to race for it ..

I'm hoping that Red Bull start 2020 the way they're ending 2019. Seeing Max in a year long championship race, wondering if he'll race the way he does when there's a championship to lose.

The red bull was the fastest car at the end of 2018 season aswell, but I think their pace is somewhat flattered due to their new engines, other teams stopping their development and track factors

[turbof1]

What a race!!!

First of all, congratulations to Gasly and Sainz for their very first podiums, even if the FIA didn´t allow Sainz to enjoy it live (it was pretty obvious Lewis would be penalized). And from last grid position! simply amazing

Then Ferrari... At the spanish broadcast they said, specially Toni Cuquerella, the guilty part is Ferrari because of allowing teammate battles. Normally I would agree, but when there´s a champion and the title is not in play I think it´s ok if they can fight. If we assume they were free to fight, then it´s Vettel fault 100%, there´s no reason to move to the left where his teammate was placed. Lecrerc did nothing wrong, he was perfectly straight and did nothing to cause the collision, nor had any chance to avoid it

I feel sad for Albon, when he finally make a good race improving his standard 6th position with 3rd best car, Hamilton ruins it. Ouch!

A great race overall

First of all, the FIA has nothing to do with the stewards deciding.

Second, I'd argue it is better to have a late decision then a wrong decision. I think the major hold up was that they took explanations from Vettel and Leclerc first, and those 2 had to forfill their press obligations first. Yes, there is certainly a case to be made to have the Sainz case decided on first, but he would have missed the podium anyway even if they fasttracked his case. Because Hamilton had to forfill his press duties as well.

It is very unfortunate that Sainz couldn't get on the physical podium, or even the press conference. That being said, justice is done properly.

[Andres125sx]

Sorry, it was the stewards not FIA, true. But it was obvious and they could have make the decision much faster to allow Sainz enjoy his first podium ever properly

[NathanOlder]

one of the ferrari drivers need to get 2 points on their license too

The other one too for his move on Sainz in round 1.
Guess karma intervened and settled the bill.

Lando.

[turbof1]

Sorry, it was the stewards not FIA, true. But it was obvious and they could have make the decision much faster to allow Sainz enjoy his first podium ever properly

The stewards have to wait for the drivers to forfill their media commitments. Sainz was never going to enjoy that podium. Again, it is unfortunate, but you can't blame the stewards for that. Sainz his own case was pretty straightforward: look at the telemetry and decide; they don't need the driver for an explanation for that I think. But in Hamilton's case, they had to wait for his explanation. And since he had to go through the podium ceremony, press conference and post race interviews, the stewards had to wait.

If you want to blame something, blame the procedure. I just don't think you can blame the stewards for that unless you want to argue they didn't have to hear Hamilton first. I'd argue they had to do their job properly, and they did so by hearing out Hamilton first

[NathanOlder]

What a race!!!

First of all, congratulations to Gasly and Sainz for their very first podiums, even if the FIA didn´t allow Sainz to enjoy it live (it was pretty obvious Lewis would be penalized). And from last grid position! simply amazing

Then Ferrari... At the spanish broadcast they said, specially Toni Cuquerella, the guilty part is Ferrari because of allowing teammate battles. Normally I would agree, but when there´s a champion and the title is not in play I think it´s ok if they can fight. If we assume they were free to fight, then it´s Vettel fault 100%, there´s no reason to move to the left where his teammate was placed. Lecrerc did nothing wrong, he was perfectly straight and did nothing to cause the collision, nor had any chance to avoid it

I feel sad for Albon, when he finally make a good race improving his standard 6th position with 3rd best car, Hamilton ruins it. Ouch!

A great race overall

To be fair, Albon will get his podium, next season for sure. Yesterday he was unlucky to lose the podium, but was lucky to get in that position to start with really. without the 2 safety cars, Bottas breaking down and Seb taking out the 2 Ferrari's, Albon was'nt really in contention for a podium. No one did more than 30 laps on the mediums, and Albon would have had to do nearly 50. So he would have pitted and returned to the track in P6, so a podium was not on the cards.

If Albon had passed Lewis and Seb to get up to 2nd, then yeah, hard luck. He took it very well though, and even took some of the blame for the incident. Fair play to him, he's a nice guy.

[search]

To be fair, Albon will get his podium, next season for sure. Yesterday he was unlucky to lose the podium, but was lucky to get in that position to start with really. without the 2 safety cars, Bottas breaking down and Seb taking out the 2 Ferrari's, Albon was'nt really in contention for a podium. No one did more than 30 laps on the mediums, and Albon would have had to do nearly 50. So he would have pitted and returned to the track in P6, so a podium was not on the cards.

Albon surely wouldn't have fighted for the podium without the safety car indeed, but he already was ahead of the two Ferrari at that point (and able to defend the position, by the look of it).

By the way... does anyone know if Sainz (apart from the start) overtook a single other driver yesterday on his way from 20th to 3rd?

[Vettel165]

Both were guilty. Charles and Seb. Charles being an jerk pushing Seb so to the right while having tons of space to the left. And Seb while already ahead going left a little bit.

But you can see the Charles steering wheel. He was rotating also the the right unnecesarilly. It was racing accident.

[Andres125sx]

Sorry, it was the stewards not FIA, true. But it was obvious and they could have make the decision much faster to allow Sainz enjoy his first podium ever properly

The stewards have to wait for the drivers to forfill their media commitments. Sainz was never going to enjoy that podium. Again, it is unfortunate, but you can't blame the stewards for that. Sainz his own case was pretty straightforward: look at the telemetry and decide; they don't need the driver for an explanation for that I think. But in Hamilton's case, they had to wait for his explanation. And since he had to go through the podium ceremony, press conference and post race interviews, the stewards had to wait.

If you want to blame something, blame the procedure. I just don't think you can blame the stewards for that unless you want to argue they didn't have to hear Hamilton first. I'd argue they had to do their job properly, and they did so by hearing out Hamilton first

Obviously they didn't have to hear Lewis first, as they didn't with Ricciardo some laps before, even when Ricciardo move wasn't as much of a divebomb as it was in Lewis case

Or they were not fair with Ric not waiting for his explanation, or they didn't need to wait for Lewis explanation, but the procedure should be the same in both scenarios, and it wasn't, which is not acceptable in any steward

I don't usually blame stewards for lack of consistency between different incidents as they're different on each GP, but in this case both accidents were in same GP so same Stewards, and same Stewards should never change their standards during the race

[sosic2121]

I have to say, as a Ferrari fan, I'm hugely disappointed with both Ferrari drivers.
IMO team should come first, but they are behaving like spoiled children, and it's not the first time. It seems it doesn't matter where they finish as long as they beat their team mate
Of course, team has it's share of blame by not having clear rules and better management of their drivers.

It's a shame Lewis made that mistake and ruined his and Albon's race.

Max had incredible race today, he defeated Lewis fair and square today. And more importantly, he made no stupid mistakes

[Wass85]

Both were guilty. Charles and Seb. Charles being an jerk pushing Seb so to the right while having tons of space to the left. And Seb while already ahead going left a little bit.

But you can see the Charles steering wheel. He was rotating also the the right unnecesarilly. It was racing accident.

https://postimages.org/

This was Turkey 2010 0.25 version.

A simple racing incident, both parties wanted that podium so it's inevitable these things will happen sometimes. At least Ferrari are showing they will allow them to race each other, they unfairly get flack for team orders when other teams are exactly the same.