COVID-19 could affect more races this year.

[Just_a_fan]

I don't understand how you still don't know how a virus makes a hospital fall down. Don't you follow any single news regarding Italy?

Just googled collapsing hospitals in Italy and found nothing.

[AJI]

You don't seem to understand what quaranteen Is. Also in Italy essential services and food shops work. Just restaurants and bara and cinemas and non essential shops are closed

Is there more than one sort? keep away from anyone else?
Place of employment, shop supermarket etc

Yes there are many kind of it

As everyone seems to have been infected with a rampant case of pedantry, there is technically only one form of quarantine, 40 days in isolation.
As none have suggested this specific course of action I'd like to reappropriate the word and suggest we use 'isolation' from here on in.

[mmred]

Is there more than one sort? keep away from anyone else?
Place of employment, shop supermarket etc

Yes there are many kind of it

So people all go to work, or shop or school and within breathing distance of each other and still be in quarantine?
Not intending to be offensive, but I do not understand it

Work yes mostly from home
No Scool no Gym no recreation activities. It s a quarantine

[mmred]

Is there more than one sort? keep away from anyone else?
Place of employment, shop supermarket etc

Yes there are many kind of it

As everyone seems to have been infected with a rampant case of pedantry, there is technically only one form of quarantine, 40 days in isolation.
As none have suggested this specific course of action I'd like to reappropriate the word and suggest we use 'isolation' from here on in.

Make a name for It that doesnt change the fact that serious limitations are trying to prevent the fast spread of the disease while somewhere else It seems they are waiting to reach crazy numbers

[adrianjordan]

Social media and the mass media are what are going to cause far and away the biggest problems in the UK in the coming days and weeks.

Today the ambulance service I work for was on one of it's highest demand levels because people, who SHOULD be following advice to self-isolate if they have any of the COVID-19 symptoms, are instead ringing 999 and saying they have chest pain because they know that will get them an ambulance. They all think they are going to die from the "deadly virus" that the media are treating like the next plague. Not one person I spoke to at work today knew of a confirmed case in any of the patients they did take to hospital.

They are also ignoring the self-isolate advice because they're bored of being indoors. I saw people freely walking in and out of the isolation units at A&E just swearing at the security guards who tried to stop them but don't have any powers to actually do so. People are stealing hand sanitiser from hospitals because there's none left in the shops. They've bulk bought it online along with face masks etc such that the NHS is now struggling to keep up with demand.

We have people stripping the shelves of supplies because apparently when you self-isolate you use more than normal of everything?? For 3 days now I have been trying to find paracetamol, just 1 pack, because I sometimes get shoulder pain as a result of my job.

Just a reminder, this is BEFORE numbers rise. This is purely on the back of the hysteria the media has whipped up and social media is fueling further.

This is what the government is facing when they consider other measures. I spoke to a police officer who is convinced we'll face rioting in the streets if they close pubs and bars.

What the rest of Europe is not having to cope with is the level of unrest that was already present in the UK after Brexit.....I think that is having an impact on the government's thinking.

But please do not think the NHS is not preparing. As someone on the inside I can tell you they are. We are already on the verge of a wartime footing and have already been told to prepare ourselves for making decisions we hoped never to have to make about patient care. We will be moving to a strategy not unlike a mass casualty major incident scenario where we try to do the most for the most. We will be selective in who we take to hospital and many will have to get used to what, not that long ago, was the norm: self-care at home for about a week.

They are desperately trying to ring-fence services such as treatment for heart attacks and strokes, but fully expect them to be limited for a period.

Already we have changed our approach to Cardiac Arrests and will have a lower threshold for not starting Advanced Life Support so as to avoid wasting resources and exposing staff to one of the highest risk situations in terms of contamination.

The NHS will come through this and many of us are hoping that the one positive might be that people stop taking it for granted and stop abusing it.

But I will hold my hand up and say that I agree with the approach our government is taking. I have read the different arguments and I cannot see how very strict isolation can build up immunity to the virus, which is always going to survive because, if nothing else, you have healthcare and other essential workers who will be carriers still out there.

I am amongst those who fully expect to see a second wave of the virus in China and other countries that have taken similar steps. We can only hope that a vaccine is developed in time.

The UK approach of protecting those who are at risk from the virus, whilst allowing those who are least at risk to catch it, then self-isolate while they recover and develop immunity to it, makes sense to me.

[Big Tea]

Yes there are many kind of it

So people all go to work, or shop or school and within breathing distance of each other and still be in quarantine?
Not intending to be offensive, but I do not understand it

Work yes mostly from home
No Scool no Gym no recreation activities. It s a quarantine

I doubt 20% of the population could possibly work from home, especially the hospital staff.
Food and essentials have to be delivered to the hospitals, and people staying home, and to the shops.
Pharmacies have to be staffed, your refuge has to be collected, repairs to roads, electricity water phones etc.

It is just not possible.

I stress once again I am not being pedantic or deliberately obtuse, but just saying 'we should do so-and-so does not suddenly make it possible.

I recall in my early life living through a smallpox outbreak in my region and there being less hype than there is now.
Populations were not so mobile and people were more aware, but it was handled


(an irrelevant PS to @adrianjordan My dad was an ambulance driver during said smallpox outbreak and we did not see him for over a month)

[adrianjordan]

So people all go to work, or shop or school and within breathing distance of each other and still be in quarantine?
Not intending to be offensive, but I do not understand it

Work yes mostly from home
No Scool no Gym no recreation activities. It s a quarantine

I doubt 20% of the population could possibly work from home, especially the hospital staff.
Food and essentials have to be delivered to the hospitals, and people staying home, and to the shops.
Pharmacies have to be staffed, your refuge has to be collected, repairs to roads, electricity water phones etc.

It is just not possible.

I stress once again I am not being pedantic or deliberately obtuse, but just saying 'we should do so-and-so does not suddenly make it possible.

I recall in my early life living through a smallpox outbreak in my region and there being less hype than there is now.
Populations were not so mobile and people were more aware, but it was handled

I did offer to work from home. I told them they could park an ambulance outside, but apparently they didn't like that idea.

[Big Tea]

Work yes mostly from home
No Scool no Gym no recreation activities. It s a quarantine

I doubt 20% of the population could possibly work from home, especially the hospital staff.
Food and essentials have to be delivered to the hospitals, and people staying home, and to the shops.
Pharmacies have to be staffed, your refuge has to be collected, repairs to roads, electricity water phones etc.

It is just not possible.

I stress once again I am not being pedantic or deliberately obtuse, but just saying 'we should do so-and-so does not suddenly make it possible.

I recall in my early life living through a smallpox outbreak in my region and there being less hype than there is now.
Populations were not so mobile and people were more aware, but it was handled

I did offer to work from home. I told them they could park an ambulance outside, but apparently they didn't like that idea.

As everyone is not at work, there would be no room to park the ambulance

[mmred]

So people all go to work, or shop or school and within breathing distance of each other and still be in quarantine?
Not intending to be offensive, but I do not understand it

Work yes mostly from home
No Scool no Gym no recreation activities. It s a quarantine

I doubt 20% of the population could possibly work from home, especially the hospital staff.
Food and essentials have to be delivered to the hospitals, and people staying home, and to the shops.
Pharmacies have to be staffed, your refuge has to be collected, repairs to roads, electricity water phones etc.

It is just not possible.

I stress once again I am not being pedantic or deliberately obtuse, but just saying 'we should do so-and-so does not suddenly make it possible.

I recall in my early life living through a smallpox outbreak in my region and there being less hype than there is now.
Populations were not so mobile and people were more aware, but it was handled

Every work that can be done from home Is done so. Some plants are closed. Cities are desert. Feel free to object but that s what Will work in the long term

[mmred]

I doubt 20% of the population could possibly work from home, especially the hospital staff.
Food and essentials have to be delivered to the hospitals, and people staying home, and to the shops.
Pharmacies have to be staffed, your refuge has to be collected, repairs to roads, electricity water phones etc.

It is just not possible.

I stress once again I am not being pedantic or deliberately obtuse, but just saying 'we should do so-and-so does not suddenly make it possible.

I recall in my early life living through a smallpox outbreak in my region and there being less hype than there is now.
Populations were not so mobile and people were more aware, but it was handled

I did offer to work from home. I told them they could park an ambulance outside, but apparently they didn't like that idea.

As everyone is not at work, there would be no room to park the ambulance

Very funny. Good luck

[Big Tea]

I did offer to work from home. I told them they could park an ambulance outside, but apparently they didn't like that idea.

As everyone is not at work, there would be no room to park the ambulance

Very funny. Good luck

Thank you, I will take all the luck I can get, as in the end thats what it boils down to. Oh, I fully intend to give lady luck all the help I can though.

[NL_Fer]

If the UK allowes for a rapid spread between youngsters and healthy person. What is going to happen to the isolated elderly, once 200000 are infected? They still need their groceries, see a doctor or specialist. Some will need special transport, a home cleaner or nursery. They will be in contact with infected people, and eventually allot will get ill themselfes and need medical help or ICU.

[mmred]

If the UK allowes for a rapid spread between youngsters and healthy person. What is going to happen to the isolated elderly, once 200000 are infected? They still need their groceries, see a doctor or specialist. Some will need special transport, a home cleaner or nursery. They will be in contact with infected people, and eventually allot will get ill themselfes and need medical help or ICU.

Let s Hope they wont realize too late that they are not in quarantine but abandoned

[Just_a_fan]

If the UK allowes for a rapid spread between youngsters and healthy person. What is going to happen to the isolated elderly, once 200000 are infected? They still need their groceries, see a doctor or specialist. Some will need special transport, a home cleaner or nursery. They will be in contact with infected people, and eventually allot will get ill themselfes and need medical help or ICU.

If 200000 are infected, that still leaves 60+ million who aren't. Or did you mean some much bigger number?

One gets the virus, one is sick for a short period, one recovers and goes back to normal life. That is the simple fact for the vast majority. The vast majority who, by self-isolating at home for a couple of weeks slow down the spread to others.

The alternative is to lock everyone up, wait for a few weeks, then let them all out again. Then what happens? You get a pandemic spread of the virus through the newly released population because no one has any immunity. At that point, you're quite simply screwed.

[Just_a_fan]

If the UK allowes for a rapid spread between youngsters and healthy person. What is going to happen to the isolated elderly, once 200000 are infected? They still need their groceries, see a doctor or specialist. Some will need special transport, a home cleaner or nursery. They will be in contact with infected people, and eventually allot will get ill themselfes and need medical help or ICU.

Let s Hope they wont realize too late that they are not in quarantine but abandoned

No one is being abandoned. Well, no more than anyone is usually abandoned in our modern self-centred world.