COVID-19 could affect more races this year.

[adrianjordan]

Any links to that loss of lung capacity? It sounds counterintuitive, but it is now the second time I see that mentioned, both in F1T.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronav ... 20%251%24s
There are links in China too, but those links are not always accessible outside of China it seems.

Yeah if this turns out to be true, then the UK will be in trouble with their plan. Also, that would really suck for those that survive. IIRC, there was another one that had this result, I'm not sure if it was MERS.

It's all pretty scary. I'm probably just behind the "front lines" since my wife is a doctor, and she's had several suspected cases now this past week alone that she sent out for testing. Our country has a shortage of kits so a lot of people aren't getting tested.

The only people I've heard any reports of having reduced lung function are those who developed pneumonia secondary to contracting the virus.

For someone who only has mild symptoms this is not going to happen. Reduced lung function is a result of scarring which is a result of inflammation and pulmonary fibrosis - patients with those are going to require hospital treatment and quite likely ICU treatment.

That is who they are talking about. But Joe Public has gotten hold of that and taken it to mean everyone will have it.

As for MERS, that is far more lethal than COVID-19 with a mortality rate of something like 30% IIRC and causes serious respiratory symptoms very quickly. I've only ever been to one patient who had it and they had gone from "fine" to needing ICU care in a very short period of time.

[adrianjordan]

This half-assed attempt to slow things down is what will ultimately cripple the economy. It would be just better if every government had the courage to do a complete lockdown for a couple of weeks, rather than this reactive approach that has gone on for days and will go on for weeks until the inevitable needs to be done anyway.

If you lock down the entire population for a a couple of weeks, you just delay the inevitable. When the lock down ends, there will still be carriers who will then infect people and it will start again, only this time, people will be crowded together at work, in bars etc., having been separated from friends, family, colleagues. Then you'll get a huge spike of infection which will totally overwhelm the country's ability to deal with it. The plans in place are intended to "flatten the curve" so that the numbers requiring medical help don't exceed the capacity to deal with them.

This.

If everyone is isolated then no-one builds up immunity.

I know some are saying that there is no evidence of immunity occurring, but it is logical that it would given how the body fights infections.

[Phil]

We are way passed the point of "no -one".

[bl4zar_]

This half-assed attempt to slow things down is what will ultimately cripple the economy. It would be just better if every government had the courage to do a complete lockdown for a couple of weeks, rather than this reactive approach that has gone on for days and will go on for weeks until the inevitable needs to be done anyway.

If you lock down the entire population for a a couple of weeks, you just delay the inevitable. When the lock down ends, there will still be carriers who will then infect people and it will start again, only this time, people will be crowded together at work, in bars etc., having been separated from friends, family, colleagues. Then you'll get a huge spike of infection which will totally overwhelm the country's ability to deal with it. The plans in place are intended to "flatten the curve" so that the numbers requiring medical help don't exceed the capacity to deal with them.

This.

If everyone is isolated then no-one builds up immunity.

I know some are saying that there is no evidence of immunity occurring, but it is logical that it would given how the body fights infections.

No it isn't, we don't know how long antibodies for this particular virus last, sadly it could be a short amount of time. A lock down now and serious precautions later until we have a working therapy or vaccine, or even just a deepened knowledge on the virus, is the most cautious approach IMHO.


BTW, with some teams being in Italy like Ferrari, Alpha Tauri and, partly, Haas, is it even fair to resume the championship once things will be better? These teams could probably have a serious competitive disadvantage.

[mmred]

This half-assed attempt to slow things down is what will ultimately cripple the economy. It would be just better if every government had the courage to do a complete lockdown for a couple of weeks, rather than this reactive approach that has gone on for days and will go on for weeks until the inevitable needs to be done anyway.

If you lock down the entire population for a a couple of weeks, you just delay the inevitable. When the lock down ends, there will still be carriers who will then infect people and it will start again, only this time, people will be crowded together at work, in bars etc., having been separated from friends, family, colleagues. Then you'll get a huge spike of infection which will totally overwhelm the country's ability to deal with it. The plans in place are intended to "flatten the curve" so that the numbers requiring medical help don't exceed the capacity to deal with them.

This.

If everyone is isolated then no-one builds up immunity.

I know some are saying that there is no evidence of immunity occurring, but it is logical that it would given how the body fights infections.

You Only reason between Extreme Opposing views while reality of isolati in policies Is quote different.

You act as if your gov has brainwashed you about some superpowerful immunity, that Is a Natural process that requires to be sick

The problem Is not immunity but rate of contagion delayed by even monthly long policies

And
1 you cant postpone the policies that much cause the disease spreads asimptomatic too
2 you cant limit the Number of months of restrictive policies. It s the contagion rate that decides and the Number of immunized population

[adrianjordan]

If you lock down the entire population for a a couple of weeks, you just delay the inevitable. When the lock down ends, there will still be carriers who will then infect people and it will start again, only this time, people will be crowded together at work, in bars etc., having been separated from friends, family, colleagues. Then you'll get a huge spike of infection which will totally overwhelm the country's ability to deal with it. The plans in place are intended to "flatten the curve" so that the numbers requiring medical help don't exceed the capacity to deal with them.

This.

If everyone is isolated then no-one builds up immunity.

I know some are saying that there is no evidence of immunity occurring, but it is logical that it would given how the body fights infections.

No it isn't, we don't know how long antibodies for this particular virus last, sadly it could be a short amount of time. A lock down now and serious precautions later until we have a working therapy or vaccine, or even just a deepened knowledge about the virus, is the most cautious approach IMHO.

How long will that take though? Months? Not even remotely likely. A year? Maybe. Longer? More likely.

What measures do you suggest that would last that long whilst allowing people to still work and earn a living??

[nzjrs]

This.

If everyone is isolated then no-one builds up immunity.

I know some are saying that there is no evidence of immunity occurring, but it is logical that it would given how the body fights infections.

No it isn't, we don't know how long antibodies for this particular virus last, sadly it could be a short amount of time. A lock down now and serious precautions later until we have a working therapy or vaccine, or even just a deepened knowledge about the virus, is the most cautious approach IMHO.

How long will that take though? Months? Not even remotely likely. A year? Maybe. Longer? More likely.

What measures do you suggest that would last that long whilst allowing people to still work and earn a living??

You can always un-quarantine people or relax containment, but you can't go back in time!

[PlatinumZealot]

So what happens before anyone builds up immunity? It will spread exponentially while vulnerable People overload the health care system and some die off in the process.

In other words, expose the whole herd and the weak people will die until only the strong survive hopefully without any long term health effects.

Herd immunjty only works if the people can be immune in the first place and if the disease spreads slowly.

Here most of the cases are coming from the UK. They wised up and banned UK flights since last week.

There is a cruise full of UK folks with quite a few are infected. So you can imagine that the reports from the UK have a huuuuge time lag.

London is the so-called centre of the world. Its obvious travel to and from there has to be tightly controlled. I am shocked authorities have responded so late.

[DChemTech]

Besides the current chaos and impact of COVID-19, you do know that, while all other teams have their factories running, Ferrari and most likely Alpha Tauri could not have been running? That means, it's an unfair competition between the teams who have been working and those who aren't. Does it make sense to have a season where one of the protagonists is handicapped?

Is it fair competition when one or two teams get a big chunk of money from the organiser just because of who they are? In a sport that requires money to succeed, that's a bigger handicap on those that don't get the payment, and certainly isn't "fair competition".

Two wrongs can't make one right.

Call me when there is a thread to discuss the F1 payments structure fairness.

You're correct... these things don't make a right. Years of structural support are not all of a sudden 'made right' by a couple of weeks setback on production/research.

Also we should not conflate structural support from an internal (regulating/managing) agency to impacts from external influences. These will happen to all teams, whether it's illness disproportionally hitting some teams, or political decisions (e.g. brexit), or a fire in the garage... things will happen. This time it's Ferrari and Alpha that are hit harder, next time it will be someone else. It's quite likely all teams will be hit by this epidemic in due time, even though some may be hit more than others depending on their graphical location and associated demographics and political measures. Such is life, unfortunately.

[Big Tea]

So what happens before anyone builds up immunity? It will spread exponentially while vulnerable People overload the health care system and some die off in the process.

In other words, expose the whole herd and the weak people will die until only the strong survive hopefully without any long term health effects.

Herd immunjty only works if the people can be immune in the first place and if the disease spreads slowly.

Here most of the cases are coming from the UK. They wised up and banned UK flights since last week.

There is a cruise full of UK folks with quite a few are infected. So you can imagine that the reports from the UK have a huuuuge time lag.

London is the so-called centre of the world. Its obvious travel to and from there has to be tightly controlled. I am shocked authorities have responded so late.

Controlling movement of people into and out of the country seems to me to be a foundation stone of what ever method is chosen. Virus mutate, and a mutated virus could re infect.

[PlatinumZealot]

Your people have come to their senses, took too damn long to make up their minds:

Boris Johnson plunged Britain into lockdown today - urging everyone in the country to stop all 'non-essential' contact with others.

The PM warned that the coronavirus was now in a phase of rapid spread across the UK, and it was time to take radical action to stop the NHS being swamped.

Anyone in a household where someone has been showing symptoms should isolate, he said. And the rest of Britain should avoid all contact that was not necessary - with restaurants, bars and cinemas and travel off limits, and a ban on large gatherings.

At a press conference in Downing Street, Mr Johnson said: 'Now is the time for everyone to stop non-essential contact with others.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... sting.html

[Big Tea]

Your people have come to their senses, took too damn long to make up their minds:

Boris Johnson plunged Britain into lockdown today - urging everyone in the country to stop all 'non-essential' contact with others.

The PM warned that the coronavirus was now in a phase of rapid spread across the UK, and it was time to take radical action to stop the NHS being swamped.

Anyone in a household where someone has been showing symptoms should isolate, he said. And the rest of Britain should avoid all contact that was not necessary - with restaurants, bars and cinemas and travel off limits, and a ban on large gatherings.

At a press conference in Downing Street, Mr Johnson said: 'Now is the time for everyone to stop non-essential contact with others.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... sting.html

Thats what everyone (other than Boris) has been telling us for a month now

[Titchener]

Your people have come to their senses, took too damn long to make up their minds:

Boris Johnson plunged Britain into lockdown today - urging everyone in the country to stop all 'non-essential' contact with others.

The PM warned that the coronavirus was now in a phase of rapid spread across the UK, and it was time to take radical action to stop the NHS being swamped.

Anyone in a household where someone has been showing symptoms should isolate, he said. And the rest of Britain should avoid all contact that was not necessary - with restaurants, bars and cinemas and travel off limits, and a ban on large gatherings.

At a press conference in Downing Street, Mr Johnson said: 'Now is the time for everyone to stop non-essential contact with others.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... sting.html

It's not a lockdown. It's worth watching and listening to the press conferences they hold then you may have a better understanding.

I'm for the way we are approaching it(UK). Its a fine balance and quite frankly the press are just stepping up fear for the sake of revenue.

That's not demeaning the situation but they really are helping to cause hysteria.

We will all only know what was right and wrong in a year when this pandemic has passed

[NL_Fer]

Dutch PM Rutte just admitted the authorities are choosing for herd immunity.

[FrukostScones]

Dutch PM Rutte just admitted the authorities are choosing for herd immunity.

why are they doing this? hell of gamble if true.