COVID-19 could affect more races this year.

[nzjrs]

but Honda are just about to have it pay off it'd be a bit stupid to quit now,

Sunk cost fallacy, no?

well it depends what numbers they've got doesn't it.

thats why the fallacy is so tempting, do you want to buy some crude oil?

[izzy]

Sunk cost fallacy, no?

well it depends what numbers they've got doesn't it.

thats why the fallacy is so tempting, do you want to buy some crude oil?

it's only a fallacy if the numbers say 'quit'

[Just_a_fan]

Not convinced they'll get that many extra subscribers. Since Sky have had exclusive rights, UK viewing figures have plummeted. It's almost dead in the UK now. That's a travesty.

apparently the Sky audience in 2019 was 20.1 million, according to https://www.pitpass.com/66446/F1-loses- ... wers-in-UK

it might increase now everybody's been starved of all kinds of sport. Not saying pay-TV isn't a travesty as you say

That's 20 million viewers over the season or fewer than 1 million people watching each race. It's not 20 million people watching each race. Sky's total UK subscribers is fewer than 9 million. And most of those won't be watching F1, that's for sure.
https://www.barb.co.uk/tv-landscape-rep ... -platform/

[izzy]

That's 20 million viewers over the season or fewer than 1 million people watching each race. It's not 20 million people watching each race. Sky's total UK subscribers is fewer than 9 million. And most of those won't be watching F1, that's for sure.
https://www.barb.co.uk/tv-landscape-rep ... -platform/

they are a bit slippery aren't they but it's viewers not views surely? Viewers over the season? And often more than one per family. anyway my point was whatever the real numbers are they will quite likely go up, a bit at least, and the NowTV ones especially, and all the people with a subscription will be making sure to watch, more than usual

[Big Tea]

well it depends what numbers they've got doesn't it.

thats why the fallacy is so tempting, do you want to buy some crude oil?

it's only a fallacy if the numbers say 'quit'

Oil is used for far more things than burning. It is the feedstock for some of our most important (and profitable) industries.

[Just_a_fan]

That's 20 million viewers over the season or fewer than 1 million people watching each race. It's not 20 million people watching each race. Sky's total UK subscribers is fewer than 9 million. And most of those won't be watching F1, that's for sure.
https://www.barb.co.uk/tv-landscape-rep ... -platform/

they are a bit slippery aren't they but it's viewers not views surely? Viewers over the season? And often more than one per family. anyway my point was whatever the real numbers are they will quite likely go up, a bit at least, and the NowTV ones especially, and all the people with a subscription will be making sure to watch, more than usual

As I said, they have fewer than half of the alleged viewers as subscribers, and many of those will not have sports / F1 packages. So the numbers of real people watching the races is definitely not going to be 20 million per race. Hence the likelihood that it is views over the season. Indeed, most figures show F1 races in the UK being viewed by fewer than 1 million per race since it became purely pay-per-view.

As for people watching via NowTV? Who knows - maybe the 20 million also includes those too - it would be "people watching F1 via Sky" after all.

Whatever the details, the reality is that F1 official viewing figures in the UK have crashed (pardon the pun) since it became purely pay-per-view.

I'd bet that the numbers watching F1 are much higher than the official figures. Many will be using online streams for free. Yes, it's "pirate viewing", but that's Sky/F1's problem.

[nzjrs]

well it depends what numbers they've got doesn't it.

thats why the fallacy is so tempting, do you want to buy some crude oil?

it's only a fallacy if the numbers say 'quit'

That's tautology. the invocation of 'stupid' in your first statement was the (presumptive) appearance of the fallacy. Be careful, or you will end up holding crude oil.

[izzy]

That's tautology. the invocation of 'stupid' in your first statement was the (presumptive) appearance of the fallacy. Be careful, or you will end up holding crude oil.

I'm pointing out that in order to be a fallacy, it has to be false that is a tautology in a way, but

[izzy]

Imola is saying they'll hold a closed doors race for free https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/imol ... s/4783694/

Momentum building...

[strad]

In the past the way they did it, IF you watched FP1--FP2--FP3--Q1--Q2--Q3---and the race you were counted as 7 viewers

[Scorpaguy]

Imola is saying they'll hold a closed doors race for free https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/imol ... s/4783694/

Momentum building...

...I wonder how much momentum this has?

- I know Vet stated he did not want to race at a fan-less venue. What is the opinion of all the drivers? ...and in the
end does their opinion matter?

- I suspect Todt wants to cancel the whole season, how much pressure is he getting from FIA/FOM to hold a semblance
of a season?

- Some teams have expressed a monetary need to race, just how much cash would they be able to gain in a fan-less
season? Such an amount has to be fractional as compared to a normal environment.

- If we do go fan-less,does F1 risk losing a bit of its mystique and prestige? ...and are the powers that be willing to risk
such?

[izzy]

Imola is saying they'll hold a closed doors race for free https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/imol ... s/4783694/

Momentum building...

...I wonder how much momentum this has?

- I know Vet stated he did not want to race at a fan-less venue. What is the opinion of all the drivers? ...and in the
end does their opinion matter?

- I suspect Todt wants to cancel the whole season, how much pressure is he getting from FIA/FOM to hold a semblance
of a season?

- Some teams have expressed a monetary need to race, just how much cash would they be able to gain in a fan-less
season? Such an amount has to be fractional as compared to a normal environment.

- If we do go fan-less,does F1 risk losing a bit of its mystique and prestige? ...and are the powers that be willing to risk
such?

Seb's quote is interesting, losing the mystique as you say, but i think he's a lone voice. It'll be not too different from races that hardly have any crowd already like Bahrain or Abu Dhabi. The teams will get at least 66% of their money, from prize money share from TV and FoM sponsors, and probably all their team sponsorship, as long as there are at least 15 races. It's a huge difference

it's significant that Imola are saying F1 can use the track for free, with even the operating costs being possibly met by local government. That's the model F1 needs

Of course Imola would probably be impossible for passing with these cars, unless possibly the softest tyres could help, but that's a separate issue. Austria is in, and Silverstone, and now Imola, so they probably won't be the only ones

[basti313]

Well, every driver will now say "our precious spectators at the track"...they will be very concerned about every "best audience in the world".
But let us be honest...if you are at a usual Tielke track, then most grandstands are at stupid locations and far away...the spectators watch the race on the screen.
The crowd is not playing any role and every driver knows that...they just can not say it.

[Capharol]

wouldnt it be hilarious to hear from Lewis "these poeple here are the best fans" in front of a empty stand

[jmpiPortugal]

Hi everybody

In your opinion, what is the best probability he new date of grand prix spanish?
I bought tickets to race and the aerline tickets.. my fly company need re-schedule to new date, but the official F1 don't say me what the new date or possible date.