2019 Belgian Grand Prix - Spa-Francorchamps, Aug 30 - Sep 1

[Just_a_fan]

Just rewatched this race and was reminded that Leclerc won his first race with an illegal engine. Too bad his record is tainted, but lucky his results and points weren't wiped.

Nowhere was it claimed that Ferrari's PU was illegal.

One wonders how many championships were won with illegal oil burning engines...

Oh that's easy - none.

[sosic2121]

Nowhere was it claimed that Ferrari's PU was illegal.

One wonders how many championships were won with illegal oil burning engines...

Oh that's easy - none.

I'm glad that you solved that dilemma

[holeindalip]

Just rewatched this race and was reminded that Leclerc won his first race with an illegal engine. Too bad his record is tainted, but lucky his results and points weren't wiped.

Nowhere was it claimed that Ferrari's PU was illegal.

One wonders how many championships were won with illegal oil burning engines...

I don’t know where you guys keep getting this info on oil burning from the mercs, Ferrari were the ones with a secondary oil tank onboard and lost performance when it was removed, same as with the secondary fuel flow sensor... they keep making technical directives and yet merc are still class of the field on power units.

[Carl Mccoy]

And Mercedes still smoking......

[FrukostScones]

Nowhere was it claimed that Ferrari's PU was illegal.

One wonders how many championships were won with illegal oil burning engines...

I don’t know where you guys keep getting this info on oil burning from the mercs, Ferrari were the ones with a secondary oil tank onboard and lost performance when it was removed, same as with the secondary fuel flow sensor... they keep making technical directives and yet merc are still class of the field on power units.

ask Silo.

[zibby43]

And Mercedes still smoking......

I didn't see any of the Merc-powered cars smoking at Silverstone 1 or 2. Nor did I see any of them smoking in Spain.

In any event, it's irrelevant, as several have pointed out that the smoke was being vented from the crankcase breather.

The place where the Ferraris started smoking in 2018, when the breather was introduced.

Photos courtesy @ScarbsTech:

[Just_a_fan]

And Mercedes still smoking......

From a breather. The breather is from the bottom of the engine, not the cylinders. Hence, any smoke has not come from the burning of oil.

Facts over fandom.

[sosic2121]

Nowhere was it claimed that Ferrari's PU was illegal.

One wonders how many championships were won with illegal oil burning engines...

I don’t know where you guys keep getting this info on oil burning from the mercs, Ferrari were the ones with a secondary oil tank onboard and lost performance when it was removed, same as with the secondary fuel flow sensor... they keep making technical directives and yet merc are still class of the field on power units.

2017 1.2L > 0.9L and the way they circumvent that rule, basically cheated.

[dans79]

2017 1.2L > 0.9L and the way they circumvent that rule, basically cheated.

You are going to have to do better than a cryptic one liner, if you want people to see this as anything more than sour grapes!

[sosic2121]

2017 1.2L > 0.9L and the way they circumvent that rule, basically cheated.

You are going to have to do better than a cryptic one liner, if you want people to see this as anything more than sour grapes!

"Aug.26 (GMM) A spat has reportedly broken out behind the scenes between title protagonists Mercedes and Ferrari.

Auto Bild reports that Mercedes surprised its Italian rival by launching a new engine specification at Spa Francorchamps.

The controversy surrounds the recent ‘oil in fuel’ saga, with the FIA having declared that as of the next race at Monza, every engine can only consume a maximum of 0.9 litres.

But Mercedes, Ferrari and the other engine manufacturers had reportedly entered into a ‘gentleman’s agreement’ that any upgrade released before Monza would comply with the new 0.9 litre rule.

However, it emerges that Mercedes’ brand new engine at Spa was in fact upgraded according to the existing rules allowing 1.2 litres of oil consumption — therefore breaking the ‘gentleman’s agreement’.

“Ferrari asked before Spa if any teams were planning new engines, but the answer was no,” reported Germany’s Sport Bild.

Auto Bild said the FIA has confirmed that Mercedes did not breach any official rule."
https://www.newsonf1.com/2017/08/merced ... nt-report/

[siskue2005]

2017 1.2L > 0.9L and the way they circumvent that rule, basically cheated.

You are going to have to do better than a cryptic one liner, if you want people to see this as anything more than sour grapes!

"Aug.26 (GMM) A spat has reportedly broken out behind the scenes between title protagonists Mercedes and Ferrari.

Auto Bild reports that Mercedes surprised its Italian rival by launching a new engine specification at Spa Francorchamps.

The controversy surrounds the recent ‘oil in fuel’ saga, with the FIA having declared that as of the next race at Monza, every engine can only consume a maximum of 0.9 litres.

But Mercedes, Ferrari and the other engine manufacturers had reportedly entered into a ‘gentleman’s agreement’ that any upgrade released before Monza would comply with the new 0.9 litre rule.

However, it emerges that Mercedes’ brand new engine at Spa was in fact upgraded according to the existing rules allowing 1.2 litres of oil consumption — therefore breaking the ‘gentleman’s agreement’.

“Ferrari asked before Spa if any teams were planning new engines, but the answer was no,” reported Germany’s Sport Bild.

Auto Bild said the FIA has confirmed that Mercedes did not breach any official rule."
https://www.newsonf1.com/2017/08/merced ... nt-report/

You need to know the difference between Cheating and Out smarting you competition.
What they did was Fully LEGAL.

[Big Tea]

2017 1.2L > 0.9L and the way they circumvent that rule, basically cheated.

You are going to have to do better than a cryptic one liner, if you want people to see this as anything more than sour grapes!

"Aug.26 (GMM) A spat has reportedly broken out behind the scenes between title protagonists Mercedes and Ferrari.

Auto Bild reports that Mercedes surprised its Italian rival by launching a new engine specification at Spa Francorchamps.

The controversy surrounds the recent ‘oil in fuel’ saga, with the FIA having declared that as of the next race at Monza, every engine can only consume a maximum of 0.9 litres.

But Mercedes, Ferrari and the other engine manufacturers had reportedly entered into a ‘gentleman’s agreement’ that any upgrade released before Monza would comply with the new 0.9 litre rule.

However, it emerges that Mercedes’ brand new engine at Spa was in fact upgraded according to the existing rules allowing 1.2 litres of oil consumption — therefore breaking the ‘gentleman’s agreement’.

“Ferrari asked before Spa if any teams were planning new engines, but the answer was no,” reported Germany’s Sport Bild.

Auto Bild said the FIA has confirmed that Mercedes did not breach any official rule."
https://www.newsonf1.com/2017/08/merced ... nt-report/

Was there any report of what the 'actual' oil use of that engine was?

[sosic2121]

You are going to have to do better than a cryptic one liner, if you want people to see this as anything more than sour grapes!

"Aug.26 (GMM) A spat has reportedly broken out behind the scenes between title protagonists Mercedes and Ferrari.

Auto Bild reports that Mercedes surprised its Italian rival by launching a new engine specification at Spa Francorchamps.

The controversy surrounds the recent ‘oil in fuel’ saga, with the FIA having declared that as of the next race at Monza, every engine can only consume a maximum of 0.9 litres.

But Mercedes, Ferrari and the other engine manufacturers had reportedly entered into a ‘gentleman’s agreement’ that any upgrade released before Monza would comply with the new 0.9 litre rule.

However, it emerges that Mercedes’ brand new engine at Spa was in fact upgraded according to the existing rules allowing 1.2 litres of oil consumption — therefore breaking the ‘gentleman’s agreement’.

“Ferrari asked before Spa if any teams were planning new engines, but the answer was no,” reported Germany’s Sport Bild.

Auto Bild said the FIA has confirmed that Mercedes did not breach any official rule."
https://www.newsonf1.com/2017/08/merced ... nt-report/

You need to know the difference between Cheating and Out smarting you competition.
What they did was Fully LEGAL.

It was as dirty as it gets. Using oil as fuel was not allowed so none of the engines was exactly legal.
One has to wonder how many dirty little holes mercedes has exploited over the years, or even worse how many times FIA let das happen.
But I guess that's in their company's DNA so it's OK.
https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/24/2088 ... ating-fine

[sosic2121]

You are going to have to do better than a cryptic one liner, if you want people to see this as anything more than sour grapes!

"Aug.26 (GMM) A spat has reportedly broken out behind the scenes between title protagonists Mercedes and Ferrari.

Auto Bild reports that Mercedes surprised its Italian rival by launching a new engine specification at Spa Francorchamps.

The controversy surrounds the recent ‘oil in fuel’ saga, with the FIA having declared that as of the next race at Monza, every engine can only consume a maximum of 0.9 litres.

But Mercedes, Ferrari and the other engine manufacturers had reportedly entered into a ‘gentleman’s agreement’ that any upgrade released before Monza would comply with the new 0.9 litre rule.

However, it emerges that Mercedes’ brand new engine at Spa was in fact upgraded according to the existing rules allowing 1.2 litres of oil consumption — therefore breaking the ‘gentleman’s agreement’.

“Ferrari asked before Spa if any teams were planning new engines, but the answer was no,” reported Germany’s Sport Bild.

Auto Bild said the FIA has confirmed that Mercedes did not breach any official rule."
https://www.newsonf1.com/2017/08/merced ... nt-report/

Was there any report of what the 'actual' oil use of that engine was?

None that I know of.
It was ending in combustion chamber, so it was producing power anyway.

[Big Tea]

"Aug.26 (GMM) A spat has reportedly broken out behind the scenes between title protagonists Mercedes and Ferrari.

Auto Bild reports that Mercedes surprised its Italian rival by launching a new engine specification at Spa Francorchamps.

The controversy surrounds the recent ‘oil in fuel’ saga, with the FIA having declared that as of the next race at Monza, every engine can only consume a maximum of 0.9 litres.

But Mercedes, Ferrari and the other engine manufacturers had reportedly entered into a ‘gentleman’s agreement’ that any upgrade released before Monza would comply with the new 0.9 litre rule.

However, it emerges that Mercedes’ brand new engine at Spa was in fact upgraded according to the existing rules allowing 1.2 litres of oil consumption — therefore breaking the ‘gentleman’s agreement’.

“Ferrari asked before Spa if any teams were planning new engines, but the answer was no,” reported Germany’s Sport Bild.

Auto Bild said the FIA has confirmed that Mercedes did not breach any official rule."
https://www.newsonf1.com/2017/08/merced ... nt-report/

Was there any report of what the 'actual' oil use of that engine was?

None that I know of.
It was ending in combustion chamber, so it was producing power anyway.

What I mean is we were never told if it met the newer reg anyway or if it continued burning at the earlier rate.
I think there is no doubt it was being burned, but if it was reduced to conform with the newer limit it is not the same as breaking an agreement, even if it was a new unit