2020 Tuscan Grand Prix - Mugello, September 11 - 13

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Re: 2020 Tuscan Grand Prix - Mugello, September 11 - 13

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Moore77 wrote:
11 Sep 2020, 19:50
Mercedes seems to have induced understeer, which isn't a great thing for Hamilton in qualifying. They probably have done that to protect the rear tires. On this circuit, it appears that the Front tires are going to take a lot of beating. Front tires have 25 psi pressures and likely create a lot of trouble on this abrasive asphalt and with high temperatures.
I have a feeling Lewis will be working with his side of the garage to minimize or eliminate that.
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
11 Sep 2020, 21:01
Looks like understeer is dialed in to keep the guys on the straight and narrow. This sort of setup is good for a physically demanding track like this. It's not the fastest one lap pace, but it is a steadier behaviour for the driver to manage. The drawback is the front tyres will take more beating.

The nature of the track does not have any heavy acceleration zones and with understeer setup the rear tyres should be well protected from sliding and thus heat generation.

Ride height will be increased because there is no lowspeed corners. The car speends most of its time under compression at medium to high speeds.
You have a few options, roll stiffness, packers, and spring stiffness all affect the amount of ride height you need. More roll stiffness can keep the outside of the car from scraping. Furthermore, the packers can limit suspension droop allowing you to run the car a bit softer.

I feel that Hamilton's loss of time is coming in Casanova corner, he may be lifting too much, because the apex is a bit blind and you need experience with the track to nail it. It's probably why he's faster in sector 3, since he's slower through 7 and 11, it gives him just enough tire temp to have a small advantage on the final corner.
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I would lean to the side of qualifying performance over race pace if I was going to sacrifice a little of either.

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godlameroso wrote:
11 Sep 2020, 21:18
PlatinumZealot wrote:
11 Sep 2020, 21:01
Looks like understeer is dialed in to keep the guys on the straight and narrow. This sort of setup is good for a physically demanding track like this. It's not the fastest one lap pace, but it is a steadier behaviour for the driver to manage. The drawback is the front tyres will take more beating.

The nature of the track does not have any heavy acceleration zones and with understeer setup the rear tyres should be well protected from sliding and thus heat generation.

Ride height will be increased because there is no lowspeed corners. The car speends most of its time under compression at medium to high speeds.
You have a few options, roll stiffness, packers, and spring stiffness all affect the amount of ride height you need. More roll stiffness can keep the outside of the car from scraping. Furthermore, the packers can limit suspension droop allowing you to run the car a bit softer.

I feel that Hamilton's loss of time is coming in Casanova corner, he may be lifting too much, because the apex is a bit blind and you need experience with the track to nail it. It's probably why he's faster in sector 3, since he's slower through 7 and 11, it gives him just enough tire temp to have a small advantage on the final corner.
He's losing 4 tenths to Bottas in the first sector I believe, quite shocking tbh.

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What are the pressures for this weekend please?
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Wass85 wrote:
11 Sep 2020, 21:19
I would lean to the side of qualifying performance over race pace if I was going to sacrifice a little of either.
You have to keep the tires alive in the race though, or that pace doesn't matter.

Speaking of pace, here's the Friday Pace Analysis.

Single Lap

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Race

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Cornering Performance

Only Williams were slower on the straights.

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Big Tea wrote:
11 Sep 2020, 21:39
What are the pressures for this weekend please?
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zibby43 wrote:
11 Sep 2020, 21:40
Wass85 wrote:
11 Sep 2020, 21:19
I would lean to the side of qualifying performance over race pace if I was going to sacrifice a little of either.
You have to keep the tires alive in the race though, or that pace doesn't matter.

Speaking of pace, here's the Friday Pace Analysis.

Single Lap

https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fo ... /image.jpg

Race

https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fo ... /image.jpg

Cornering Performance

Only Williams were slower on the straights.

https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fo ... /image.jpg
Yes of course but I don't think they really go to qualifying extremes in practice apart from maybe Monaco.

Those qualy runs in practice are done to the best of their ability in a race oriented set-up.

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Wass85 wrote:
11 Sep 2020, 21:46
zibby43 wrote:
11 Sep 2020, 21:40
Wass85 wrote:
11 Sep 2020, 21:19
I would lean to the side of qualifying performance over race pace if I was going to sacrifice a little of either.
You have to keep the tires alive in the race though, or that pace doesn't matter.

Speaking of pace, here's the Friday Pace Analysis.

Single Lap

https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fo ... /image.jpg

Race

https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fo ... /image.jpg

Cornering Performance

Only Williams were slower on the straights.

https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fo ... /image.jpg
Yes of course but I don't think they really go to qualifying extremes in practice apart from maybe Monaco.

Those qualy runs in practice are done to the best of their ability in a race oriented set-up.
Agree with that, by and large.

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I feel they still run detuned engine mapsin practice. Should still comply with the new directives.
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
11 Sep 2020, 23:12
I feel they still run detuned engine mapsin practice. Should still comply with the new directives.
Yeah, practice they were running Strat 11. TD only applies to quali/race (at least this is what has been publicly confirmed).

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zibby43 wrote:
12 Sep 2020, 00:29
PlatinumZealot wrote:
11 Sep 2020, 23:12
I feel they still run detuned engine mapsin practice. Should still comply with the new directives.
Yeah, practice they were running Strat 11. TD only applies to quali/race (at least this is what has been publicly confirmed).
Parc Ferme, so from FP3.

BTW, fastest time in FP1 has traditionally been the fastest time they can achieve in a race scenario on low fuel.
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Wass85 wrote:
11 Sep 2020, 18:07
astracrazy wrote:
11 Sep 2020, 18:03
Wass85 wrote:
11 Sep 2020, 17:31


I've lost track of which version but he is hooked up around here this weekend, a shock really as Hamilton is normally great on new circuits.
Hardly a fight back. Lets wait and see Sunday.
We will see, if he can grab pole it will be a massive body blow to Hamilton.

I expected Lewis to be the one lighting the time sheets up this weekend.
It won't be a massive blow to Hamilton at all. He's far too seasoned to be upset by an occasional blip in form. Having nearly 2 full wins in his pocket means he ca afford the odd bad weekend and still look forward to the next race.
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Wass85 wrote:
11 Sep 2020, 19:26

It just doesn't look all that from the onboards to me tbh, a bit of a letdown to what I imagined. Maybe I'm being a bore and things will look different come Q3.
Isn't that just a problem with on-rails cars? These guys are pulling 5g+ through some corners. That's not "boring" but the competence of the cars makes it look easy. 50+ laps of that sort of physical workout might actually be the thing that causes the interest in this race. A slight fault anywhere will hand a place, or more, to other drivers.
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godlameroso wrote:
12 Sep 2020, 01:12
Parc Ferme, so from FP3.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't they'd be allowed to change the power unit modes as much as they want in FP3, if they want to reserve more performance ahead of qualifying? I thought Parc Fermé was officially active upon leaving the pit lane at the beginning of qualifying regarding the likes of setup and what not.