2020 Turkish Grand Prix - Instanbul Park, Nov 13 - 15

[Racer X]

Feel sorry for Stroll, he was amazing in the opening stages really opening the gap and streaking ahead. Wonder how his race would have turned out had he not pitted for the new set of Inters.

He gets so much hate, and sometimes does stupid stuff. But when the opportunity arises he is there. Today it got robbed off of him by a bad strategy call.

I don’t think he would have won the race, but this could, or better said should, have been a double podium.

I really don't think he could have made the tires last like Perez and Hamilton. So he needed to put on a new set at some point.

But I am also wondering the same thing except I was wondering if he had pitted 5 laps sooner before his time started dropping. Could he have brought the tires up to temperature sooner and won the race still? Because he would have come in behind Perez and not behind traffic. I just feel like he stayed out too much. When Perez began to close the gap to him. That was already too late. I think they could have won the race and a double podium because it would have forced Hamilton to do a 2 stop strategy if he wanted to win. Instead Hamilton had a clear gap to Perez and didn't have to worry about 2 driver's. The burden was on Perez to push for 2nd and that was the only thing. But with Lance Stroll out in front it would have forced Ham to pit for the win or settle for a top 3 finish on old tires versus Racing Point.

But that's just a huge what if Racing Point was not confident and you could hear it in the radio.

When they asked Stroll to pit and he stayed out for one more lap. He didn't seem confident about the pit wall strategy and neither did they.

[PlatinumZealot]

How did VER get so close to ALB with that spin?

He had newer tyres + he has number 1 status.

[Sieper]

Hence the car being a handful. The front wing endplate and footplate are still important for underfloor performance.

You can see how the air is wrapping around the endplate as the muck acts as flow viz.

I doubt it was the whole reason he finished at the back, otherwise they'd have changed the FW. Bottas just wasn't on it today, he never really looked happy and I lost count of the number of times he spun. On the other end of the spectrum, Verstappen was fast but he was pushing too hard, his spin behind Perez was just stupid.

Apparently Bottas's alignment was off after his touch and second spin on the first lap. Car was pulling to the left and left turns were an issue. Quoted in Autosport.
It was a tiny touch. I do wonder if DAS makes possible misalignment in an accident more likely? If the parts are able to move independently...

That seems like a possibility. This weekend we also saw (on YouTube) a merc steering wheel 90 degrees turned and the wheels did not seem to turn in. DAS was a clever trick just within regulations (imho not in their spirit) but for me it is good it is not allowed next year. That is, if Merc does not find a way to keep it after all.

[i70q7m7ghw]

Hence the car being a handful. The front wing endplate and footplate are still important for underfloor performance.

You can see how the air is wrapping around the endplate as the muck acts as flow viz.

I doubt it was the whole reason he finished at the back, otherwise they'd have changed the FW. Bottas just wasn't on it today, he never really looked happy and I lost count of the number of times he spun. On the other end of the spectrum, Verstappen was fast but he was pushing too hard, his spin behind Perez was just stupid.

Apparently Bottas's alignment was off after his touch and second spin on the first lap. Car was pulling to the left and left turns were an issue. Quoted in Autosport.
It was a tiny touch. I do wonder if DAS makes possible misalignment in an accident more likely? If the parts are able to move independently...

The contact with Ocon (second spin) was his mistake no?

[Sieper]

How did VER get so close to ALB with that spin?

He had newer tyres + he has number 1 status.

This is so derogatory. He spun (a 360) in a slow corner and was on the gas quite quickly. He did not loose that much. He also gained on Albon quickly when he was not on his tail yet (when he caught up to him for the first time) If he had number one status (he does, but that did not come in to play today) they would not have left him spent like 5/6 laps behind Albon. Why always these little stabs, come on.

[Sieper]

I doubt it was the whole reason he finished at the back, otherwise they'd have changed the FW. Bottas just wasn't on it today, he never really looked happy and I lost count of the number of times he spun. On the other end of the spectrum, Verstappen was fast but he was pushing too hard, his spin behind Perez was just stupid.

Apparently Bottas's alignment was off after his touch and second spin on the first lap. Car was pulling to the left and left turns were an issue. Quoted in Autosport.
It was a tiny touch. I do wonder if DAS makes possible misalignment in an accident more likely? If the parts are able to move independently...

The contact with Ocon (second spin) was his mistake no?

At the start? Turn 1? Not really imho. Ricciardo violantly steered away from Hamilton hitting Ocon and sending Ocon into a spin, Bottas spun on his own but I can’t really blame him for that. He had to evade. A small misjudgement and you are gone.

[Wouter]

This Turkish commentator describes the last minutes and is now really ready for a week of rest.
Magnificent!!
Are all Turkish commentators like that, @Etusch?

[i70q7m7ghw]

At the start? Turn 1? Not really imho. Ricciardo violantly steered away from Hamilton hitting Ocon and sending Ocon into a spin, Bottas spun on his own but I can’t really blame him for that. He had to evade. A small misjudgement and you are gone.

Nope, the second spin where he hit Ocon and picked up the FW damage and the steering alignment issue.

[Sieper]

At the start? Turn 1? Not really imho. Ricciardo violantly steered away from Hamilton hitting Ocon and sending Ocon into a spin, Bottas spun on his own but I can’t really blame him for that. He had to evade. A small misjudgement and you are gone.

Nope, the second spin where he hit Ocon and picked up the FW damage and the steering alignment issue.

Totally missed that. He was in “another” (turn 1 they did not make contact) collision with Ocon?

[i70q7m7ghw]

At the start? Turn 1? Not really imho. Ricciardo violantly steered away from Hamilton hitting Ocon and sending Ocon into a spin, Bottas spun on his own but I can’t really blame him for that. He had to evade. A small misjudgement and you are gone.

Nope, the second spin where he hit Ocon and picked up the FW damage and the steering alignment issue.

Totally missed that. He was in “another” (turn 1 they did not make contact) collision with Ocon?

Yup, later on in the lap or possible lap 2 he made contact with Ocon, that's where he got the damage.

[PlatinumZealot]

Feel sorry for Stroll, he was amazing in the opening stages really opening the gap and streaking ahead. Wonder how his race would have turned out had he not pitted for the new set of Inters.

He gets so much hate, and sometimes does stupid stuff. But when the opportunity arises he is there. Today it got robbed off of him by a bad strategy call.

I don’t think he would have won the race, but this could, or better said should, have been a double podium.

At his rate of degradation he surely would have been passed by PER, HAM, LEC et al. He seemed to have problem knowing how to manage the inters at different stages of deg. Should be a lesson for him today.

[PlatinumZealot]

How did VER get so close to ALB with that spin?

He had newer tyres + he has number 1 status.

This is so derogatory. He spun (a 360) in a slow corner and was on the gas quite quickly. He did not loose that much. He also gained on Albon quickly when he was not on his tail yet (when he caught up to him for the first time) If he had number one status (he does, but that did not come in to play today) they would not have left him spent like 5/6 laps behind Albon. Why always these little stabs, come on.

After the spin Max was about four to six seconds behind. He caught Albon after a while due to newer tyres. Then Albon clearly pulled aside to let Max through. Where is the stab?

I am too happy today to take stabs. If i wanted to take stabs I wpuld have mentioned how even with clearly the fastest car today Max threw away the race by choking multiple times. But to keep the peace in these sensitive times I hold my tongue.

[i70q7m7ghw]

At the start? Turn 1? Not really imho. Ricciardo violantly steered away from Hamilton hitting Ocon and sending Ocon into a spin, Bottas spun on his own but I can’t really blame him for that. He had to evade. A small misjudgement and you are gone.

Nope, the second spin where he hit Ocon and picked up the FW damage and the steering alignment issue.

Totally missed that. He was in “another” (turn 1 they did not make contact) collision with Ocon?

Here you go (probably won't be up for long). Interested to hear how this wasn't his fault too

EDIT: It also looked like his wing wasn't damaged, he must have damaged it later on one of his many spins.

[Sieper]

Nope, the second spin where he hit Ocon and picked up the FW damage and the steering alignment issue.

Totally missed that. He was in “another” (turn 1 they did not make contact) collision with Ocon?

Here you go (probably won't be up for long). Interested to hear how this wasn't his fault too

EDIT: It also looked like his wing wasn't damaged, he must have damaged it later on one of his many spins.

That was unhandy indeed. No way that was going to work.

[grubschumi13]

Feel sorry for Stroll, he was amazing in the opening stages really opening the gap and streaking ahead. Wonder how his race would have turned out had he not pitted for the new set of Inters.

He gets so much hate, and sometimes does stupid stuff. But when the opportunity arises he is there. Today it got robbed off of him by a bad strategy call.

I don’t think he would have won the race, but this could, or better said should, have been a double podium.

I think he has lots of positives to take away from today. He got a taste of leading a GP and hopefully he loved it. It was a crazy and unpredictable race it was living on your wits. Racing point had to split their strategies and they gambled.