Ferrari SF21

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Carl Mccoy
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I have the impression that Ferrari has made a lot of progress with the engine. But the chassis is still far behind the competition. In the mid sector, Leclerc was very slow despite his best time in the S1.

ryaan2904
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Sevach wrote:
13 Mar 2021, 19:47
I think i know why Ferrari didn't go the whole way in the Mercedes suspension concept.
The way their hot air exits are designed a good chunk of the suspension is blocked from the stream coming from the coke, a lot less to be gained for compromising suspension geometry.

https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/C ... 775160.jpg

https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/V ... 775159.jpg
Why have they gone for plain diffuser strakes though?
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Sevach
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ryaan2904 wrote:
13 Mar 2021, 20:13
Sevach wrote:
13 Mar 2021, 19:47
I think i know why Ferrari didn't go the whole way in the Mercedes suspension concept.
The way their hot air exits are designed a good chunk of the suspension is blocked from the stream coming from the coke, a lot less to be gained for compromising suspension geometry.

https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/C ... 775160.jpg

https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/V ... 775159.jpg
Why have they gone for plain diffuser strakes though?
This diffuser/floor combo is the one they had in Abu Dhabi last year, they gotta have something better cooking.

wowgr8
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https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-te ... s/5712990/

The Red is not shining: Maranello's doubts come more from the long run simulations where there was more tire degradation than expected.

Carlos Sainz, who ran in the morning, even ended up in the sandwich of the two Haas, behind Mick Schumacher, 12th, and in front of Nikita Mazepin, that is to say two rookies struggling with a car that is the one of last year, updated to 2021 rules and with V6 056/6.

wowgr8
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Well scratch that

"Excellent feelings from the car on the long run, we are quite happy and satisfied". - Leclerc to Sky Italia

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wowgr8 wrote:
13 Mar 2021, 20:20
https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-te ... s/5712990/

The Red is not shining: Maranello's doubts come more from the long run simulations where there was more tire degradation than expected.

Carlos Sainz, who ran in the morning, even ended up in the sandwich of the two Haas, behind Mick Schumacher, 12th, and in front of Nikita Mazepin, that is to say two rookies struggling with a car that is the one of last year, updated to 2021 rules and with V6 056/6.
I don't know about the tire degradation but this is extremely misleading considering both set their times on C4 tires with an unknown fuel load. I guess Lewis is in even worse shape. :roll:

Fer.Fan
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Laurent Mekies Racing Director

"Another very busy day of testing in Bahrain, with almost 700 kilometres covered during the eight hours of track time. The weather was much better than yesterday, although the wind was still a feature, especially in the first part of the day. We worked a lot on management of the Pirelli tyres over long runs and we got plenty of data which we will now analyse carefully. In the final hour, we also began to look at how the SF21 went in terms of outright performance and here too, we gathered a lot of useful information.
These three days are vitally important and we are taking a methodical approach, because the work we do now will be the key to how we get on during the season. Therefore the most important thing is to complete the planned programme and that’s what we have done so far. As for the competition, we can start thinking about that in two weeks time, in qualifying for the Bahrain Grand Prix."

ferkan
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wowgr8 wrote:
13 Mar 2021, 20:50
Well scratch that

"Excellent feelings from the car on the long run, we are quite happy and satisfied". - Leclerc to Sky Italia
Lol this team...lets see

ryaan2904
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wowgr8 wrote:
13 Mar 2021, 20:20
https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-te ... s/5712990/

The Red is not shining: Maranello's doubts come more from the long run simulations where there was more tire degradation than expected.

Carlos Sainz, who ran in the morning, even ended up in the sandwich of the two Haas, behind Mick Schumacher, 12th, and in front of Nikita Mazepin, that is to say two rookies struggling with a car that is the one of last year, updated to 2021 rules and with V6 056/6.
Very opposite to what leclerc said after the tests today. He said that they ran a lot of tests today, a lot of them v positive, others less. The feeling is good inside the team.
Another thing to mention is that Ferrari hardly used any drs at all and never used the 8th gear.
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ryaan2904
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Sevach wrote:
13 Mar 2021, 20:19
ryaan2904 wrote:
13 Mar 2021, 20:13
Sevach wrote:
13 Mar 2021, 19:47
I think i know why Ferrari didn't go the whole way in the Mercedes suspension concept.
The way their hot air exits are designed a good chunk of the suspension is blocked from the stream coming from the coke, a lot less to be gained for compromising suspension geometry.

https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/C ... 775160.jpg

https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/V ... 775159.jpg
Why have they gone for plain diffuser strakes though?
This diffuser/floor combo is the one they had in Abu Dhabi last year, they gotta have something better cooking.
Lets hope so. Still can't get over those giant exhausts tho. Hope they're only there for bahrain and they shrunk them down later [-o<
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wowgr8 wrote:
13 Mar 2021, 20:20
https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-te ... s/5712990/

The Red is not shining: Maranello's doubts come more from the long run simulations where there was more tire degradation than expected.

Carlos Sainz, who ran in the morning, even ended up in the sandwich of the two Haas, behind Mick Schumacher, 12th, and in front of Nikita Mazepin, that is to say two rookies struggling with a car that is the one of last year, updated to 2021 rules and with V6 056/6.
I believe the commentators were talking about degradation of the harder tyres. They said in F2 when they got harder tyres, there was actually more deg because there was less grip and more sliding.

Honestly I don't know why they keep changing the tyre structures or compounds, it really doesn't help the teams. We want them understanding the tyres because it brings them closer together.
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Carl Mccoy wrote:
13 Mar 2021, 20:09
I have the impression that Ferrari has made a lot of progress with the engine. But the chassis is still far behind the competition. In the mid sector, Leclerc was very slow despite his best time in the S1.
I feel that their hybrid cape is still in need of development, and can bring good gains, however, one questions the worth in that seeing what's at stake next year.
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SiLo wrote:
13 Mar 2021, 21:25
wowgr8 wrote:
13 Mar 2021, 20:20
https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-te ... s/5712990/

The Red is not shining: Maranello's doubts come more from the long run simulations where there was more tire degradation than expected.

Carlos Sainz, who ran in the morning, even ended up in the sandwich of the two Haas, behind Mick Schumacher, 12th, and in front of Nikita Mazepin, that is to say two rookies struggling with a car that is the one of last year, updated to 2021 rules and with V6 056/6.
I believe the commentators were talking about degradation of the harder tyres. They said in F2 when they got harder tyres, there was actually more deg because there was less grip and more sliding.

Honestly I don't know why they keep changing the tyre structures or compounds, it really doesn't help the teams. We want them understanding the tyres because it brings them closer together.
Because the fronts are not worked much they go through "heat cycling" particularly the hards, and this causes them to grain. This causes understeer, and when the driver attempts to correct for this by attempting to push harder, it doesn't help.
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wowgr8
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Interesting to note, Ferrari's top speed today was 308 with Sainz, Giovinazzi hit 324. But then again the Alfa was at the sharp end of the speed traps last year even with the weak PU, not sure how much we can read into that

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ryaan2904 wrote:
13 Mar 2021, 21:12
wowgr8 wrote:
13 Mar 2021, 20:20
https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-te ... s/5712990/

The Red is not shining: Maranello's doubts come more from the long run simulations where there was more tire degradation than expected.

Carlos Sainz, who ran in the morning, even ended up in the sandwich of the two Haas, behind Mick Schumacher, 12th, and in front of Nikita Mazepin, that is to say two rookies struggling with a car that is the one of last year, updated to 2021 rules and with V6 056/6.
Very opposite to what leclerc said after the tests today. He said that they ran a lot of tests today, a lot of them v positive, others less. The feeling is good inside the team.
Another thing to mention is that Ferrari hardly used any drs at all and never used the 8th gear.
Another confirmation for Franco Nugnes often making stuff up.