2021 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku, June 04 - 06

[sosic2121]

Max set the fastest lap but didn't finish in the top ten so wasn't awarded the point afaik.

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What is the reasoning behind that rule? I don't see anything contraversial(since rule is cristal clear) , just "let's say" little bit unfair. At least someone didn't get that point.

Here's a couple of articles about it, from my understanding it is to stop everyone outside the top ten who are not in contention of points suddenly pitting for new tyres because they've nothing to lose.

https://inews.co.uk/sport/formula-one/f ... ces-407130

"There is one bonus point available for the driver who records the fastest lap of the race. However, they must also finish in the top 10 in order to qualify for the point. This is to stop all the drivers outside the top 10 pitting for fresh tyres in the last few laps in an effort to set a fastest lap, which would compromise the integrity of the race."

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... AkKSP.html

"There is, however, a condition for earning the point. Only drivers who are classified in the top 10 at the end of the race are eligible. If you achieve the feat and finish in 11th or lower (or fail to finish), no point will be allocated."

Thank you very much for your effort in educating me!

[PlatinumZealot]

Then I suggest the onus is on F1TV/FOM to use their subscriber money to put their own commentary team together rather than piggybacking on someone else's coverage because it's cheaper.

Yes, that's what the pit lane channel is for - but this weekend it was very disappointing. The normal commentators were replaced by Sky TV drones.

Aw well, still beats Dutch' Olav Mol though - who managed to utter something along the lines "So, it was actually Red Bull themselves that asked Charlie Whiting to call a red flag"

RedBull must have some serious witch craft going on back in the garage.

[Big Tea]

Surely its simple , Brundle, Croft, Kravitz, Herbert, Hill, Button, Davidson, Di Resta, Pinkham, Brookes all work for Sky Sports F1 (UK) if F1 TV want a different / neutral commentary team then they should get their own.

I suspect that if you polled British fans giving them 3 votes each for favourite driver, there would be way more non British drivers being voted for than British

certainly would, how about this...

if you polled Dutch fans giving them 3 votes each for favourite driver, there would be way more non Dutch drivers being voted for than Dutch.

Probably the same for Thai fans, but British is because that's what is being complained about on an English language transmission

[NathanOlder]

I suspect that if you polled British fans giving them 3 votes each for favourite driver, there would be way more non British drivers being voted for than British

certainly would, how about this...

if you polled Dutch fans giving them 3 votes each for favourite driver, there would be way more non Dutch drivers being voted for than Dutch.

Probably the same for Thai fans, but British is because that's what is being complained about on an English language transmission

Yeah I was just messing, as if you had to ask a dutch fan to name their favourite 3, they have to vote for at least 2 non dutch drivers so they will have far more votes for non dutch vs dutch drivers

[dans79]

I think people are only hearing what they want to hear, when it comes to commentator bias!

IMO, all they are really doing is hyping the currently perceived underdog, and talking about the pressure on the currently perceived favorite. They literally flip flop back and forth during the race. It's all designed to do one thing, entertain the casual fan who knows next to nothing about F1.

Personally I wish a way existed to just mute the commentary and get all the other audio.

[Edax]

Max set the fastest lap but didn't finish in the top ten so wasn't awarded the point afaik.

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What is the reasoning behind that rule? I don't see anything contraversial(since rule is cristal clear) , just "let's say" little bit unfair. At least someone didn't get that point.

Is that a complaint about Max not getting the point ? Also, surely everyone on a technical forum should at least know the fastest lap point rule ?

Well I did know the rule. But I didn’t realize that the fastest lap would be awarded outside the top 10.

That does open up an interesting play. Let’s pretend the tire failure did not happen. The Verstappen would be in 1 with the fastest lap. Hamilton on worn tires would not be able to improve and has no gap to pit.

With this rule Merc could put Bottas on new softs and have a go at it. He would not get the point since this drops him outside the top 10, but he would deny Verstappen the point, thereby helping Hamilton.

The rule makes total sense but it also opens up new ways where the top teams can “use” their second driver. That is bound to happen sometime.

When it does I foresee some very interesting radiocalls.

[Sieper]

If Bottas was out of the points anyway, nothing lost for Merc, sure, pull him in and take the point away. Fair play.

One idea, please, not a knee jurk. If someone set the fastest lap while in the top 10, but finishes outside while still holding the fastest lap, maybe let them keep it?

[zeph]

Because I'm pointing the finger at the ugly truth that St. Pirelli didn't live up to the challenge? It's worth...

No, I think you got downvoted because you sound like you don’t understand what you are talking about.

This is perfectly fine because it is common practice to attribute unpopular opinions to someone "who does not understand what he is talking about" ...

Pirelli has been making tires for more than 100 years. They have been F1’s sole supplier since 2011. They design tires to F1’s request, with specific degradation. You think they can’t design a tire that lasts for five seasons? Of course they can. They don’t because that’s not what’s asked of them. In fact, they are so bloody smart they design compounds to last a specific distance. And the different compounds are designed in such a way that they trade off grip vs. durability in a manner that adds a strategic element to races.

So yes, your assertion that Pirelli doesn’t know how to do their job is not just an unpopular opinion, it’s plain ignorant.

Do they get recommendations wrong sometimes? Sure. But by and large, they’ve accomplished the task F1 gave them.

[zeph]

Because I'm pointing the finger at the ugly truth that St. Pirelli didn't live up to the challenge? It's worth...

No, I think you got downvoted because you sound like you don’t understand what you are talking about.

I think he understands quite well what he's talking about, and you not so much. That's because you've given him zero rebuttal except calling him stupid between the lines.

^^^

[aMessageToCharlie]

If Bottas was out of the points anyway, nothing lost for Merc, sure, pull him in and take the point away. Fair play.

One idea, please, not a knee jurk. If someone set the fastest lap while in the top 10, but finishes outside while still holding the fastest lap, maybe let them keep it?

But why?

[Sieper]

If Bottas was out of the points anyway, nothing lost for Merc, sure, pull him in and take the point away. Fair play.

One idea, please, not a knee jurk. If someone set the fastest lap while in the top 10, but finishes outside while still holding the fastest lap, maybe let them keep it?

But why?

Why not? It was set fair and square. I mean, the whole reason for not granting it while outside the top 10 is to not upset the race apparently. There is no upset if you set it while you were still in the top 10.

[dans79]

If Bottas was out of the points anyway, nothing lost for Merc, sure, pull him in and take the point away. Fair play.

One idea, please, not a knee jurk. If someone set the fastest lap while in the top 10, but finishes outside while still holding the fastest lap, maybe let them keep it?

But why?

Why not? It was set fair and square. I mean, the whole reason for not granting it while outside the top 10 is to not upset the race apparently. There is no upset if you set it while you were still in the top 10.

You would need a lot of caveats with that.

You can't fall out of the top 10 because you need to change to another set of tires, because you murdered the tires used to set fastest lap.

You can't fall out of the top 10, because you now need to slow down to save fuel to finish the race.

Same goes for falling out of the top 10 because the completely depleted the battery pack while setting the fastest lap, etc etc.

Saying you must finish in the top 10 is just a way to try and minimize the number of ways the teams can game the system.

[RZS10]

The idea is to not give anyone outside the top10 as many points as the last driver in the points in P10, awarding that point to anyone outside the points would devalue the point positions.

If you drop out of the top10 after having set the fastest lap, try to fight back into the points. If you DNF you shouldn't get jack sh ...

[Sieper]

1 point is worth a lot to any team, I think you get your travel costs reimbursed if you score a point. Or is that only a WCC point and not a WDC point? That is also a reason for that P10 Limit I guess.

[aMessageToCharlie]

No, I think you got downvoted because you sound like you don’t understand what you are talking about.

This is perfectly fine because it is common practice to attribute unpopular opinions to someone "who does not understand what he is talking about" ...

Pirelli has been making tires for more than 100 years. They have been F1’s sole supplier since 2011. They design tires to F1’s request, with specific degradation. You think they can’t design a tire that lasts for five seasons? Of course they can. They don’t because that’s not what’s asked of them. In fact, they are so bloody smart they design compounds to last a specific distance. And the different compounds are designed in such a way that they trade off grip vs. durability in a manner that adds a strategic element to races.

So yes, your assertion that Pirelli doesn’t know how to do their job is not just an unpopular opinion, it’s plain ignorant.

Do they get recommendations wrong sometimes? Sure. But by and large, they’ve accomplished the task F1 gave them.

I think that's debatable tbh.

The trade off between grip and durability is physics - nothing Pirelli invented or came up with. Looking back at previous Pirelli F1 tire highlights (Vettel's tire blow ups in Spa and other occasions, as well as the 2012 chaos season, where a different team/driver combo won each GP because Pirelli couldn't make identical quality tires for the whole grid, sudden change of tire compounds during the season to introduce thicker side wall structure for safetiy reasons) I think it's justifyable to assume that Pirelli just can't do it. Michelin at Indianapolis 2005 certainly couldnt. Only six cars started the race because of tire blow ups. Or maybe it was just debris? lol And for how many years did Michelin build tires? Did it help them at Indi?

Maybe they can do it in other series? Why not in F1? Was this also a FIA requirement to have tires explode randomly? Or wouldnt saver tires, that don’t put driver's lifes at risk be more desirebale? if they're so smart, they should be able to provide this basic "feature" or not?

Maybe it's just F1 pushing the limit of what's possible again. Would be great to get to that at least.