2021 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 16 - 18

[PlatinumZealot]

That image doesn't mean anything since it doesn't go back far enough to show where Max started to turn. This corner is different in that they don't brake for it if they are on the racing line and so the question you have to ask yourself is where is Lewis going to go since he is on the dirty part of the track. His trajectory is taking him to the same part of the track as where Max is which was already wide of the apex and mean Lewis is running deeper then he should be. This means that the position in the images shows Lewis to be in a false position where he shouldn't actually be if he was to make the corner. A position he is only in because he has made a mistake and he is clearly not going to make the corner. Some will say why should Lewis not go for this but then the same should be applied for Max not wanting to give this spot up and who was actually on the racing line. This is Senna vs Prost 1990 Suzuka all over again with Lewis playing the part of Senna.

Why did Max lookin his right mirror, back out to the left then turn right again?

It's puzzling me.

[crazychrome]

That image doesn't mean anything since it doesn't go back far enough to show where Max started to turn. This corner is different in that they don't brake for it if they are on the racing line and so the question you have to ask yourself is where is Lewis going to go since he is on the dirty part of the track. His trajectory is taking him to the same part of the track as where Max is which was already wide of the apex and mean Lewis is running deeper then he should be. This means that the position in the images shows Lewis to be in a false position where he shouldn't actually be if he was to make the corner. A position he is only in because he has made a mistake and he is clearly not going to make the corner. Some will say why should Lewis not go for this but then the same should be applied for Max not wanting to give this spot up and who was actually on the racing line. This is Senna vs Prost 1990 Suzuka all over again with Lewis playing the part of Senna.

Why did Max lookin his right mirror, back out to the left then turn right again?

It's puzzling me.

Max expected Lewis to back out of it like he normally does.

[101FlyingDutchman]

That image doesn't mean anything since it doesn't go back far enough to show where Max started to turn. This corner is different in that they don't brake for it if they are on the racing line and so the question you have to ask yourself is where is Lewis going to go since he is on the dirty part of the track. His trajectory is taking him to the same part of the track as where Max is which was already wide of the apex and mean Lewis is running deeper then he should be. This means that the position in the images shows Lewis to be in a false position where he shouldn't actually be if he was to make the corner. A position he is only in because he has made a mistake and he is clearly not going to make the corner. Some will say why should Lewis not go for this but then the same should be applied for Max not wanting to give this spot up and who was actually on the racing line. This is Senna vs Prost 1990 Suzuka all over again with Lewis playing the part of Senna.

Why did Max lookin his right mirror, back out to the left then turn right again?

It's puzzling me.

Because he didn’t want the contact?

(And as you clearly ignored my question to you earlier, I don’t expect a reply now)

He left a racing cars width of room on the inside even as it “looks” like he is coming across. That’s true. It always looks that way if the other cars trajectory isn’t following the same angle towards an apex. Fact of the matter is that you HAVE to leave a racing car widths room for the inside car but it would have meant lifting out of the throttle for Lewis. As with the speed he had at the time and the tighter angle into the corner it meant he was always going to drift out wide.
Which as he said himself, he wasn’t going to yield again. So he could have avoided it but chose not to.

That is the nub of the issue I have with it.

I do feel Max could have done a tad more, but the majority blame (for me) does lie with Lewis here. It was a statement but an incredibly dangerous one to make. He certainly sent out a warning loud and clear

[Kingshark]

But anyway, today's victory was so sweet and satisfying!! I am over the moon!! Vintage wine tonight!

I knew you’d be back as soon as Lewis won a race again.

As plastic as they get.

[Deadpool]

I'm a little late with the comment, but let me give my completely subjective view and a very unpopular view, at least on this forum.

This is the second race in a row in which drivers who throw other drivers off the track are practically not penalized. In Austria Perez kicked out Leclerc TWICE, deliberately, in spite of that, he ended up in front of him. In England Hamilton kicked out a direct competitor in a high-risk, life-threatening incident. Precisely because of his vast experience, there is no word about the racing incident, but about the intention. Despite the alleged punishment, he managed to win. THESE ARE NOT PENALTIES !!! Both had to be immediately disqualified, plus Hamilton should have received a penalty of +10 positions at the start for the next race. Those would be appropriate punishments. This is how they sent the message that the "crime" pays off. It is painful to see what kind of "influence" Mercedes has on Formula 1 and with what murky actions it is pulling out, starting from secret, just for them, tire tests in 2013, to this shame today.

Although I support Ferrari and i considered Max to be a rude, barking kid, I would like him to take the title. Such a slap in the face is the least that Mercedes and Hamilton deserve.

By the way, I agree with everything that Max posted on Twitter regarding the incident. Ugly truth.

[GrizzleBoy]

I think people are missing the fact that Hamilton was not punished more because the stewards did not deem the incident to be as bad as Christian Horner would like everyone to think it was.

If they felt he was 100% out of order to even think.about not backing off, he'd have received a stronger penalty.

The stewards gave the penalty they believed would best resolve the politics of the incident. If Christian Horner never made a complaint, they'd never have given any penalty whatsoever.

Horner came on the radio to the director and gave a grand old speech that he knew would be televised even though the director does not actually make the penalty decisions.

That was political pressure so that if no penalty was given, it wouldn't be a good look.

51g 51g 51g 51g/hospital hospital hospital hospital/you just don't overtake there you just don't overtake there you just don't overtake there(despite Max overtaking there the day before and countless others through the weekend).

The CAR took 51g.

Max was in hospital just to have a checkup, not because he was actually injured in any way.

People were overtaking there all weekend, because they were racing fair and having the spatial awareness and willingness to do so.

Like Ricciardo has said recently, Horner has a "weird" obsession with Max and is known for sticking his neck out for his first drivers at all costs, even when everyone knows he's bullshitting. The Ricciardo/Verstappen Baku incident shows that Horner will never apportion any blame to Max for anything, even against his own team mate.

Anyway, long story short, the penalty was partly political, Horner is talking rubbish, and it wasn't a harsher penalty because the stewards did not feel like it was too much more than a racing accident.

[Phil]

I’m glad the weekend is over. Did not like the new format at all - all the sprint race did, baring a few surprises, was establish the predictable pecking order: quickest cars in front. It also underminded the great “friday qualifying” stories: hamilton snatching pole, russsel getting into Q3. I hope they bury this format, never to return.

As for the Verstappen/Hamilton incident - it was damned to happen at some point and i am happy it did. Too many times have drivers yielded from advantageous positions because they knew Verstappen wouldnt.

I think the lesson is simple: a driver can be penalized for “punting off” his opponent from the inside, but the driver on the outside, regardless of in the right or not, is risking far more: damage, a DNF, even potential injury. You simply have to be smart when defending or attacking on the outside. It’s a position that places your car in a vulnerable place.

It did today. Irrespective if Verstappen had the corner or not, was in the right or not - he risked his car and walked away with zero points and gifted Hamilton an “easy” points.

As the defending driver also - he could have protected the inside line better to force Hamilton around the outside. He didnt and opened the door.

At the braking point, Hamilton was alongside Verstappen. The fact that Verstappen then braked later and carried a bit more speed, doesnt magically mean Hamilton needs to back out and disappear. Both took a risk, Verstappen turned in a little early into the corner and contact ineviteable. And the driver who was in a more vulnerable position paid an expensive price.

Lessons will be learned.

The big question for me going forward: will Verstappen have learned from this or not? That may decide this and future championships.

Same story last race too with Perez and Norris btw - irrespective of who is in the right or not, mostly the car on the outsids risks losing a lot more. No penalty to the car inside will overturn that loss.

[Titchener]

This place resembles the rest of social more each race. So sad, it was a great technical forum.

Fabulous race, great effort from Charles.

It is amusing how people choose to jgnore the fact Max is and always has been bery aggressive and for once someone didn’t give in to him. He turned, saw Lewis , straightened then thought ‘nah, he will give in like everyone else, I’m forcing him to yield’

[Slo Poke]

In my opinion it was a racing incident.

Lewis was well along side entering the braking zone, and thus entitled to space. Lewis braked earlier, but not hard enough to clear max. I assume his plan was tight in, and then wide out.

Max on the other hand knew full well that Lewis was there but turned to hit the apex anyway. as SmallSoldier's picture clearly shows.


I think this will be a learning experience for Max, as on several occasions in the past he has made a move and either hoped the other driver would get out of his way, or though he would intimidate the other driver out of the way. Now he has come up against another driver in a title fight, and has learned the hard way that sometimes people won't yield, and thus you need to pick your battles wisely.

Yeah. This is Max's first "Senna moment; " battling another in a fight bigger than a few laps. Championship thinking is what he will learn after this year that's for sure.

The amazing thing about Max is that he is his 7th! year In formula 1 so he's definitely a serious threat despite being new to title fights.

Pleased...

[Restomaniac]

Way too many Lewis sympathisers here. Lewis is 100% to blame for this incident. His front wing touched Max's rear wheel and it doesn't matter what Max may or may not have been doing beforehand for which he may have been penalised for. Lewis didn't have the corner and basically punted Max in to his 51G accident. This should have been a black flag for Lewis and not a 10 second penalty. How can this penalty be the same as what happened with Norris and Perez at Austria when Max is out of the race and in Hospital. This is Senna / Prost in Japan 1990.

Well seeing as it was wheel to wheel contact I stopped reading after that. I assume it was all very interesting.

[Just_a_fan]

Worth noting that Leclerc sees it as a racing incident.

[ispano6]

FIA officials deemed Hamilton at fault, it's official. Who does Toto think he is telling Masi to check his email and call him. Toto wished for a DNF and got what he wished for, didn't he. It's disappointing that this championship is tainted, but it will be all the sweeter when Max wins it. He is still the championship leader and will win it out of principle.

[LHamilton]

FIA officials deemed Hamilton at fault, it's official. Who does Toto think he is telling Masi to check his email and call him. Toto wished for a DNF and got what he wished for, didn't he. It's disappointing that this championship is tainted, but it will be all the sweeter when Max wins it. He is still the championship leader and will win it out of principle.

If you think that FIAs word is absolute, then why are you here complaining? Oh wait, just saw that you in another thread said that a disqualification was the only right action. So you don't think FIAs word is absolute. Or you do. Only when it suits you.

God, I do love people with double standards

[maxxer]

FIA officials deemed Hamilton at fault, it's official. Who does Toto think he is telling Masi to check his email and call him. Toto wished for a DNF and got what he wished for, didn't he. It's disappointing that this championship is tainted, but it will be all the sweeter when Max wins it. He is still the championship leader and will win it out of principle.

If you think that FIAs word is absolute, then why are you here complaining? Oh wait, just saw that you in another thread said that a disqualification was the only right action. So you don't think FIAs word is absolute. Or you do. Only when it suits you.

God, I do love people with double standards

Oh we want close racing just as long as my driver wins everything lol

[Viper2789]

So, the FIA who have all of the telemetry and information....throttle, steering angles, other cameras made a decision.

So Lewis got a 10s penalty - which the FIA deem proportional to his part in the accident.

Now we have a group of people on this forum who think they know more/better? WTF is wrong with some of you. Because some of you are so emotionally invested, rational thinking and clarity has gone out the window. I've watched a lot of times now and the second turn in from Max was quite aggressive and I'm not sure what he expected to happen as hr did that.