2021 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 16 - 18

[ringo]

FIA officials deemed Hamilton at fault, it's official. Who does Toto think he is telling Masi to check his email and call him. Toto wished for a DNF and got what he wished for, didn't he. It's disappointing that this championship is tainted, but it will be all the sweeter when Max wins it. He is still the championship leader and will win it out of principle.

Max got his greater penalty; zero points. The FIA handed out a political pacifier penalty. Deep down they know its a racing incident.

I would like to see Toto's email though...

[ispano6]

FIA officials deemed Hamilton at fault, it's official. Who does Toto think he is telling Masi to check his email and call him. Toto wished for a DNF and got what he wished for, didn't he. It's disappointing that this championship is tainted, but it will be all the sweeter when Max wins it. He is still the championship leader and will win it out of principle.

If you think that FIAs word is absolute, then why are you here complaining? Oh wait, just saw that you in another thread said that a disqualification was the only right action. So you don't think FIAs word is absolute. Or you do. Only when it suits you.

God, I do love people with double standards

What? Double standards? I said he should have been disqualified. FIA officially deemed Ham at fault. When did I say that the 10 sec penalty was appropriate? Sure, it's consistent, but I don't agree with the severity of the penalty, which was what, more a formality than anything. Lewis scored full points as if nothing happened. Do you even understand what double standard means? Grosjean got a race ban for dangerous driving for a turn 1 incident in Belgium, so it's not like there isn't a precedent.

[Jambier]

FIA couldn't do anything about it.
It is classical F1. Nothing new.

- Hamilton is always the one carrying on when crashing with an opponent. He masters that.
- He is a clever driver. Here is was in the strong position, he knew it, MAX had everything to lose.

Of course it is really upsetting for MAX and RB to have fallen in Hamilton trap.
They will probably lose championship because of that, like others against Schumacher in the past.

Now, RB need to keep calm and focus and win races. But it will be more intense, and number 2 driver may have a role to play, for instance, Perez can be used in a battle with Hamilton

[Tizz]

FIA officials deemed Hamilton at fault, it's official. Who does Toto think he is telling Masi to check his email and call him. Toto wished for a DNF and got what he wished for, didn't he. It's disappointing that this championship is tainted, but it will be all the sweeter when Max wins it. He is still the championship leader and will win it out of principle.

If you think that FIAs word is absolute, then why are you here complaining? Oh wait, just saw that you in another thread said that a disqualification was the only right action. So you don't think FIAs word is absolute. Or you do. Only when it suits you.

If you read carefully, there is no contradiction between those 2 statements.

[JPBD1990]

Omg I used to love forums to talk about F1 with like minded people, but this is so vomit worthy. I get it. It sucks. I felt similar as a Ferrari fan when Lewis got Charles but… that it. Can’t we all get the f over it? It was a racing incident. Verstappen crashed and it could have been bad, Lewis got a penalty. The race was great in so many ways. Isn’t that the end of it? Or nah we’re all having philosophical life changing dilemmas about whether Lewis deserved it or not? Honestly who cares. He won. What cha gonna do now. Just enjoy the shoe. It’s a great championship. This is what we all claim to want, then feel so aggrieved about everything.

Hopefully Ferrari gets a win in Budapest.

[Tvetovnato]

Tried to put together a composite image but i'm not really happy with it because i struggled to account for the camera pitch etc ... anyways ...
https://i.imgur.com/oQossKS.png
here's an imgur album with a few more with lines and the full corner (probably not all that precise), the full lines are based on their right wheels, the broken lines are just guesses.
https://imgur.com/a/NInVRVY

Footage like this makes it extremely hard, harder than ever to take Horner’s garbage seriously.

Honestly seeing that image it looks like Verstappen had won the corner and Hamilton washed out wide.... (No joke)

Edit: it's still imo a racing incident...

Going into the corner, Hamilton’s car is 80 % alongside Max’s car, at least. 50 % is required to have the right for the corner/line (or front axle alongside the middle of the car). The last frame in the picture is when the are actually starting to take the corner, and Lewis decreases the speed there, while Max simply carries more speed since he is at a better angle. But Max needs to give more space there, simply because he should expect Hamilton to be there given that he was so far alongside going into the corner.

[Just_a_fan]

Of course it is really upsetting for MAX and RB to have fallen in Hamilton trap.

And that's the point, isn't it? Max had everything to lose there and he just carried on as he normally does expecting other drivers to back out. Hamilton backed out earlier in the lap to avoid an accident when he was on the outside and Max went up the inside. So it's not as if Max doesn't know what others do in that situation.

It wasn't a trap by Hamilton. Hamilton attempted a pass and Max chose to turn in to the corner regardless. The only trap was that Hamilton and others have normally gone "oh, it's Max, he'll crash in to me if I don't back out". This time that didn't happen. Max fell in to the trap of believing that everyone else will get out of his way because he has made a career of being aggressive. On Sunday that methodology bit him back. The trap was all of Max's own making.

If you drive aggressively against others, eventually you're going to get bitten.

Max is fighting for the title. He needs to be circumspect now, not aggressive. It's about getting points through the whole season, not winning every corner. Sometimes the other guy is just a bit faster than you. So you bag the most points you can and move on to the next race. If Max was even half aware of F1 history as he should be, he'd know this. Heck, he only had to be paying attention to Hamilton during his title runs. Hamilton will try to get the win, of course, but he generally won't risk it all on the first lap. At Silverstone, Hamilton had nothing much to lose, Max had a lot to lose. That's where a driver has to switch from aggressive, win-at-all-cost to more measured bag-the-points-and-move-on mode.

[Mansell89]

Omg I used to love forums to talk about F1 with like minded people, but this is so vomit worthy. I get it. It sucks. I felt similar as a Ferrari fan when Lewis got Charles but… that it. Can’t we all get the f over it? It was a racing incident. Verstappen crashed and it could have been bad, Lewis got a penalty. The race was great in so many ways. Isn’t that the end of it? Or nah we’re all having philosophical life changing dilemmas about whether Lewis deserved it or not? Honestly who cares. He won. What cha gonna do now. Just enjoy the shoe. It’s a great championship. This is what we all claim to want, then feel so aggrieved about everything.

Hopefully Ferrari gets a win in Budapest.

100%

Emotions ran high because it was the tensest battle we’ve seen at the front for many a year.

They are both human and they were inch perfect for most of the battle, but not around copse.

The main thing is no one is seriously hurt- yes Hamilton is lucky in the sense he’s closed the gap by 25 points, but ultimately there are always things like this in racing.

No doubt Max will get the rub of the green down the line.

[Just_a_fan]

Omg I used to love forums to talk about F1 with like minded people, but this is so vomit worthy. I get it. It sucks. I felt similar as a Ferrari fan when Lewis got Charles but… that it. Can’t we all get the f over it? It was a racing incident. Verstappen crashed and it could have been bad, Lewis got a penalty. The race was great in so many ways. Isn’t that the end of it? Or nah we’re all having philosophical life changing dilemmas about whether Lewis deserved it or not? Honestly who cares. He won. What cha gonna do now. Just enjoy the shoe. It’s a great championship. This is what we all claim to want, then feel so aggrieved about everything.

Hopefully Ferrari gets a win in Budapest.

I think some on here, emotionally invested in a Max title, took on board Horner's ridiculous histrionics and let themselves get upset. Horner is playing a political game to to try to undermine Hamilton and Mercedes. He's going to say whatever he can to get Max ahead. Look at his "no one passes in that corner" rubbish. Max himself has passed people there. But that is forgotten in the attempt to make Max a victim in everyone's eyes.

[LHamilton]

FIA officials deemed Hamilton at fault, it's official. Who does Toto think he is telling Masi to check his email and call him. Toto wished for a DNF and got what he wished for, didn't he. It's disappointing that this championship is tainted, but it will be all the sweeter when Max wins it. He is still the championship leader and will win it out of principle.

If you think that FIAs word is absolute, then why are you here complaining? Oh wait, just saw that you in another thread said that a disqualification was the only right action. So you don't think FIAs word is absolute. Or you do. Only when it suits you.

God, I do love people with double standards

What? Double standards? I said he should have been disqualified. FIA officially deemed Ham at fault. When did I say that the 10 sec penalty was appropriate? Sure, it's consistent, but I don't agree with the severity of the penalty, which was what, more a formality than anything. Lewis scored full points as if nothing happened. Do you even understand what double standard means? Grosjean got a race ban for dangerous driving for a turn 1 incident in Belgium, so it's not like there isn't a precedent.

Yes. Double standards. You wrote "FIA officials deemed Hamilton at fault, it's official." Then you go on to insinuate that Toto is not allowed to express his opinion on the matter, since it's "official". And why is Toto the only person being brought up on the matter when Horner did the same?

I'll let you clarify what you mean by asking this question; Do you think that FIAs decisions are absolute? Yes or No?

[i70q7m7ghw]

Whatever you may think about what happened, one thing is for certain, this is totally unacceptable https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433 ... ish-gp-win

[nzjrs]

Whatever you may think about what happened, one thing is for certain, this is totally unacceptable https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433 ... ish-gp-win

You already posted this once - which Is I think the reason it was written. It's all for the clicks baby. We are being manipulated.

With the Euros only just behind us, and the general state of the UK media, this article was always going to be written, it's copy paste. We can all expect about a dozen more this week if the Euros trend holds true.

[Bandit1216]

Hmmmm.

As a Dutch guy, and obviously a Max fan, I think it's just an accident. The FIA decided it was more Lewis' fault, so he got a penalty. I just hope it's not title defining in the end. There was room enough, and Lewis just got a bit more understeer then he anticipated. One of the first things he did, was ask whether Max was oké. Indeed Max himself pulled of more dangerous things in the past. When it works you are brilliant, when not, you're an arse.

[i70q7m7ghw]

Whatever you may think about what happened, one thing is for certain, this is totally unacceptable https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433 ... ish-gp-win

You already posted this once - which Is I think the reason it was written. It's all for the clicks baby. We are being manipulated.

With the Euros only just behind us, and the general state of the UK media, this article was always going to be written, it's copy paste. We can all expect about a dozen more this week if the Euros trend holds true.

There was literally racism in this thread yesterday. And many of the users responsible are still posting on this site. But sure, you keep your head burried in the sand because "it's all for clicks baby"

[flexcon]

Hmmmm.

As a Dutch guy, and obviously a Max fan, I think it's just an accident. The FIA decided it was more Lewis' fault, so he got a penalty. I just hope it's not title defining in the end. There was room enough, and Lewis just got a bit more understeer then he anticipated. One of the first things he did, was ask whether Max was oké. Indeed Max himself pulled of more dangerous things in the past. When it works you are brilliant, when not, you're an arse.

Fantastically put at the end.

I like max, but only since 2019 onwards. Before I really thought he was a bully.

Yesterday’s over aggression shows deep down he is still somewhat of a bully. But this time he needs to be smart and realise he can win this championship.


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