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Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen came together in the first lap of the British Grand Prix, and despite a penalty, the reigning World Champion won his home race. Charles Leclerc finished a close second as Bottas came home in third.
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Dee wrote: ↑19 Jul 2021, 12:19This wasn't a both of them were expecting the other to concede incident, this was Lewis fully knowing that Max wouldn't back off and still keeping his line. After the touch, he still ran wide on that corner, meaning that he was always ending up in Max's car, his trajectary was never one that was making that corner cleanly
He expected the crash, didn't feel bad that Max then crashed out, could celebrate his win fully. Never gave Max any care or consideration in his interview after the race or in any further interviews up until the point he was told he was in the hospital. Then he says, of course you never want things like this to happen....
101FlyingDutchman wrote: ↑19 Jul 2021, 12:28You’ve worded it far better then I have in previous posts.
Was Verstappen aware that Hamilton was on the inside going into the corner? Was Verstappen aware that Hamilton was still on the inside when he turned into the apex? Did Verstappen have sufficient control of his car to be able to ease the steering?
That's another one the stewards just decide on, on a case by case/race by race basis isn't it? I seem to remember Hamilton's (double?) penalty being a bit out of kilter, but decided on by Mika Salo?....NathanOlder wrote: ↑19 Jul 2021, 14:38Thank you.
And some people still constantly say Lewis is so lucky!El Scorchio wrote: ↑19 Jul 2021, 14:45That's another one the stewards just decide on, on a case by case/race by race basis isn't it? I seem to remember Hamilton's (double?) penalty being a bit out of kilter, but decided on by Mika Salo?....
Part of me thinks that since a precedent was set then it should now be the same for everyone else, but the other part that the Hamilton penalty was pure madness and what they've done this weekend is the appropriate way to deal with this sort of infringement.
“It is very difficult to judge it from the car; we are very low,” said Leclerc. “So it’s difficult to see.
“Everything went very quick. Obviously I could see there were quite a bit of things going around in front of me. And yeah, I think it’s a racing incident.
“It’s quite difficult to put the blame on one or the other. Obviously there was space on the inside. Maybe Lewis was not completely at the apex but it’s also true that Max was quite aggressive on the outside. So, things happen. What is the most important today is that Max is unharmed and is fine.”
Masi stressed that the stewards could not take into account the fact that Verstappen had retired and Hamilton had continued, and any potential impact on the title battle.
"I think one of the big parts that's been a mainstay for many, many years, and this came through discussions prior to my time between all of the teams, the FIA and F1, and the team principals were all quite adamant, is that you should not consider the consequences in an incident," Masi said.
"So when they judge an incident they judge the incident itself, and the merits of the incident, not what happens afterwards as a consequence. And that's been something that the stewards have done for many years.
"And have been advised to do from top down. I'm talking team involvement, and so forth. So that's the way that the stewards judge it, because start taking consequences into account, there's so many variables, rather than judging the incident itself on its merits."
Red Bull's management has made it clear that it feels Hamilton got away lightly, with Helmut Marko calling for Hamilton to be suspended for a race.
Asked about the team's complaints that the punishment wasn't harsh enough, Masi said: "I think if you look at it on that basis you'll never find a penalty that will address an imbalance like that.
"If you look at it in that particular circumstance, that is why going back a few years the teams, or team principals made a clear distinction that they didn't want consequences taken into account, they wanted it based on the incident itself.
"I completely understand that perspective and I think that is a general held view across all stewarding, to not look at consequences for that purpose."
Masi says he sees no need for the stewards to explain their decisions to the public in detail.
How many drivers get into race ending incidents and instantly get a red flag to repair the car.dans79 wrote: ↑19 Jul 2021, 14:47And some people still constantly say Lewis is so lucky!El Scorchio wrote: ↑19 Jul 2021, 14:45That's another one the stewards just decide on, on a case by case/race by race basis isn't it? I seem to remember Hamilton's (double?) penalty being a bit out of kilter, but decided on by Mika Salo?....
Part of me thinks that since a precedent was set then it should now be the same for everyone else, but the other part that the Hamilton penalty was pure madness and what they've done this weekend is the appropriate way to deal with this sort of infringement.
Very well put!mwillems wrote: ↑19 Jul 2021, 15:13You need to be perfect in that corner to make the pass and avoid an accident, and Lewis was too far away from the Apex. However, Max did close him down and must take some of the responsibility. Lewis was turning right as much as he could but couldn't get more in because the RB was costing him front grip (Lewis' miscalculation) . Lewis put them in a situation and Max could have made more space but instead aggressively turned in. I can't see beyond a racing incident. Max could have carried more speed out of that corner and been more aggressive in the next to take control. They both could not see beyond one corner for the race and carried the same attitude. No sympathy for either or them to be honest even if it was Hamilton that had spun instead.
For me, when you both make a choice to go into battle like that at a 300kph corner, you are letting the racing gods decide and you shouldn't complain if they don't choose you.
I agree, I think a warning is fair, but at Sochi last year they were adamant it was the correct decision and cited the fact the 5 second penalty was the smallest penalty they could give. I don't think I've ever seen a warning issued by the stewards, normally if there's a summons, there's a penalty.El Scorchio wrote: ↑19 Jul 2021, 14:45That's another one the stewards just decide on, on a case by case/race by race basis isn't it? I seem to remember Hamilton's (double?) penalty being a bit out of kilter, but decided on by Mika Salo?....
Part of me thinks that since a precedent was set then it should now be the same for everyone else, but the other part that the Hamilton penalty was pure madness and what they've done this weekend is the appropriate way to deal with this sort of infringement.