2021 Belgian Grand Prix - Spa-Francorchamps, Aug 27 - 29

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Just_a_fan wrote:
28 Aug 2021, 16:11
Such a shame for Lando - he was very likely to take pole and now will start 10th - assuming the car doesn't need PU/gearbox replacements.
That’s definitely a gearbox change at least, if not PU as well.

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falonso81 wrote:
28 Aug 2021, 16:13
Seb is now also a race director among other things!
He was being quite sensible. Go figure, now the sun is out by the pits.
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I disagree with Sebastian. In the wet why are we holding the drivers to low standards?! Ayrton Senna and Michael would be disappointed.
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I think they need to push the spectator area back some, otherwise, leave the corner as is.

It’s totally feasible from an engineering perspective looking at aerials / isometric views.

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And now it's pouring, that's Spa. I'll be very annoyed if we have a mid race red flag only for rain.
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Hoffman900 wrote:
28 Aug 2021, 16:18
I think they need to push the spectator area back some, otherwise, leave the corner as is.

It’s totally feasible from an engineering perspective looking at aerials / isometric views.
It’s all on maximum. There is a river on one side and a rock formation at the other.

Oh and also, at ovals they don’t do rain.

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Thank god Norris walked away

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Jolle wrote:
28 Aug 2021, 16:27
Hoffman900 wrote:
28 Aug 2021, 16:18
I think they need to push the spectator area back some, otherwise, leave the corner as is.

It’s totally feasible from an engineering perspective looking at aerials / isometric views.
It’s all on maximum. There is a river on one side and a rock formation at the other.

Oh and also, at ovals they don’t do rain.
If you spin on an oval, you don’t countersteer, or you go head first like Gordon Smiley or Earnhardt Sr. Norris arguably should have went “both feet in”when that back stepped out on him, but easy to say now. They’re reacting how they have all their life. So not a criticism, he’s a badass for trying to go full send into that corner in the rain.

Rock formation is easy. I live in Colorado in the US. The rock formations I70 goes through in the Rockies makes Eau Rogue look like child’s play. I ran large civil highway projects, the left side (where Lando hit) is doable.

River side, if they wanted would be an elevated platform. We (humans) do stuff like this all the time.

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Jolle wrote:
28 Aug 2021, 16:27
Hoffman900 wrote:
28 Aug 2021, 16:18
I think they need to push the spectator area back some, otherwise, leave the corner as is.

It’s totally feasible from an engineering perspective looking at aerials / isometric views.
It’s all on maximum. There is a river on one side and a rock formation at the other.

Oh and also, at ovals they don’t do rain.
They can do what Interlagos did and build a retaining wall to extend the run-off area.
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Hoffman900 wrote:
28 Aug 2021, 16:30
Rock formation is easy. I live in Colorado in the US. The rock formations I70 goes through in the Rockies makes Eau Rogue look like child’s play. I ran large civil highway projects, the left side (where Lando hit) is doable.

River side, if they wanted would be an elevated platform. We (humans) do stuff like this all the time.
It's not an engineering problem, it's a political one. Plenty of environmentalist noise is made when such things are mooted.
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LM10 wrote:
28 Aug 2021, 16:14
Just_a_fan wrote:
28 Aug 2021, 16:11
Such a shame for Lando - he was very likely to take pole and now will start 10th - assuming the car doesn't need PU/gearbox replacements.
That’s definitely a gearbox change at least, if not PU as well.
Yes, definitely gearbox. Half of it is now strewn across the circuit. Watching the replays one can see that the gearbox is just gone.
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Just_a_fan wrote:
28 Aug 2021, 16:38
Hoffman900 wrote:
28 Aug 2021, 16:30
Rock formation is easy. I live in Colorado in the US. The rock formations I70 goes through in the Rockies makes Eau Rogue look like child’s play. I ran large civil highway projects, the left side (where Lando hit) is doable.

River side, if they wanted would be an elevated platform. We (humans) do stuff like this all the time.
It's not an engineering problem, it's a political one. Plenty of environmentalist noise is made when such things are mooted.
Yeah, I can’t speak to the politics of there.

To be fair, the environmentalists have their point. Typically DOT’s will offset with land swaps. IE: we’ll encroach on some wetlands for a bridge approach, but we’ll sink a farm nearby and put a stream through it to construct new wetlands. That kind of thing.

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Hoffman900 wrote:
28 Aug 2021, 16:30
Jolle wrote:
28 Aug 2021, 16:27
Hoffman900 wrote:
28 Aug 2021, 16:18
I think they need to push the spectator area back some, otherwise, leave the corner as is.

It’s totally feasible from an engineering perspective looking at aerials / isometric views.
It’s all on maximum. There is a river on one side and a rock formation at the other.

Oh and also, at ovals they don’t do rain.
If you spin on an oval, you don’t countersteer, or you go head first like Gordon Smiley or Earnhardt Sr. Norris arguably should have went “both feet in”when that back stepped out on him, but easy to say now. They’re reacting how they have all their life. So not a criticism, he’s a badass for trying to go full send into that corner in the rain.

Rock formation is easy. I live in Colorado in the US. The rock formations I70 goes through in the Rockies makes Eau Rogue look like child’s play. I ran large civil highway projects, the left side (where Lando hit) is doable.

River side, if they wanted would be an elevated platform. We (humans) do stuff like this all the time.
Having driven the corner combination a lot myself, it’s not that easy as “don’t countersteer”. It’s a corner you take more or less without feel, you point the car with a flick to the apex on the left at the bottom and then time your movements (right, then left) for the rest. If you loose traction, you’re off in a big way. Looks to me Norris’ his countersteer was more the next flick from muscle memory.

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Jolle wrote:
28 Aug 2021, 16:27
There is a river on one side and a rock formation at the other.
Would it be feasible to build an elevated platform for the runoff area? Or blast the rock formation?

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JordanMugen wrote:
28 Aug 2021, 16:47
Jolle wrote:
28 Aug 2021, 16:27
There is a river on one side and a rock formation at the other.
Would it be feasible to build an elevated platform for the runoff area? Or blast the rock formation?
Engineering wise and construct ability wise, absolutely.

Only thing stopping is cost and political will.