2021 Dutch Grand Prix - Zandvoort Sept 3 - 5

[djos]

Just like these street circuits in countries where they are willing to pay FOM a lot of money for the prestige of holding a Grand Prix...

Like Australia? There are some shifty fellows in Adelaide and Melbourne. Willing to run a race at a loss year on year seems most concerning -- it was not necessarily a loss-making exercise in '85, but it has almost always been a loss-making exercise in Melbourne with the taxpayer picking up the tab for the shortfall in revenue compared to costs.

The economic activity and tax income from the activity before and after the F1 race more than pays for the actual cost of holding the race in Melbourne.

The studies have been done by both sides of politics here and is one of the few things they both agree on.

[Jolle]

As a bonus they took it on a parade lap around the entire track instead of putting the car in the first available spot ... cool ...

I understand that they have to be careful if the light on the car isn't green but this really shouldn't take half an hour, they were staring at the car for 15 minutes and it took the guy with the multimeter a mere 12 minutes to take a leisurely stroll to the car in order to confirm (?) that it is indeed unsafe so they had to use gloves when removing it - the FIA really needs to tighten down that procedure.

You'd think all marshals would just have the thick rubber gloves and still be able to work with a live car.

Just for when they have to touch the car, like getting a driver out. High electrics are dangerous, no need to take extra risk and go near the thing. One bad move or someone trips and you’re dead.

[SiLo]

As a bonus they took it on a parade lap around the entire track instead of putting the car in the first available spot ... cool ...

I understand that they have to be careful if the light on the car isn't green but this really shouldn't take half an hour, they were staring at the car for 15 minutes and it took the guy with the multimeter a mere 12 minutes to take a leisurely stroll to the car in order to confirm (?) that it is indeed unsafe so they had to use gloves when removing it - the FIA really needs to tighten down that procedure.

You'd think all marshals would just have the thick rubber gloves and still be able to work with a live car.

Just for when they have to touch the car, like getting a driver out. High electrics are dangerous, no need to take extra risk and go near the thing. One bad move or someone trips and you’re dead.

Full rubber suit? Doubles as a dry suit for a quick trip to the beach down the road too!

[the EDGE]

Car was not electrically "safe" despite the green light was n. Vettel had clearly a MGU-K issue in the first lap, then went back to the pits, did some something, came back and his engine blew up. So after some hassle with the fire extinquisher, the team had to come back with a laptop to reset the car.

Don't think the blame was on the marshalls. RAC should have put code red on immediately, so marshalls could help Vettel with the fire/smoke.

Vettel stopped right next to a marshal post at the pit exit (11:46), everyone was staring at him for minutes while he tried to use multiple fire extinguishers which seemingly did not work to his satisfaction (maybe wrong type?) somewhere in that timeframe they went from yellow to a red flag (11:48), then they rolled up with the recovery vehicle (11:51). It went back to yellow (11:53) and back to red (11:55) with Vettel grabbing another extinguisher in the meantime. Then some dudes in grey were trying to look into the hot air exhausts at the back and under the car (12:01), some Aston staff arrived (12:05) and also stared at the car when some dude dressed in yellow finally arrived to theck the car with a multimeter (12:07) and determined that they indeed had to use those thick gloves for recovery, maybe the Aston techs also did something but eventually they dangled the car on the hook (12:12) for fun, it took another few minutes until they managed to get it onto a truck (12:15), which then took the long way around the entire track - for some inexplicable reason they restarted the session another 9 minutes later (12:24).

BTW, it really looked like Ocon deliberately ran Norris off track (?), he was checking the mirrors the entire time and moved even further left when he saw him coming. Looked dirty.

Thanks Guys… what a joke!

In the pits they stick a couple of trolleys under the car a move them in a matter of seconds, these things weigh 3/4 of a tonne not 3 or 4 tonnes. On rubber wheels with rubber handles there would be no risk of electrocution

Now practice sessions last 60 mins instead of 90min, perhaps they should consider having 30 minute extension to cover red flag periods… like last Sunday, fans are not getting what they paid for

[maxxer]

The haves and the have nots…

So what is he actually doing with the real estate he owns?

He is part of the investors who buy up houses in Amsterdam and drive up rental prices , he has been in the news alot for that over the years.

“Drive up rental prices”, how does that work- because last time I checked we live in a world dominated by supply and demand.

Especially with Expats flocking to Amsterdam to work for companies like Booking.com and the expats pay any price, but as soon as Corona started Booking.com was one of the first companies to ask for state support.

What does booking.com has to do with Bernhard Jr.?

“Pay any price” you clearly do not know what you’re talking about- being a real estate agent in Amsterdam myself and having booking.com as one of our clients.

And there have been complaints about the places he rents out things not getting fixed and all.

You can’t often repair something immediately, that is broken- something a lot of tenants do not understand, but house owners do.

Been going on for awhile that there is even talk about a Bernhard Tax to make sure when you own a property you actually have to live in it to stop these investors just buying up houses to live in.

Jealousy driven- a lot of people do have the ‘spending power’ to afford an apartment in Amsterdam- as proven by the number of transactions.

On the other hand Zandvoort has been falling in decay over the years so part of having the GP there is also sort of having the Olympics in East London so to invest back into the community. They do have a better rail connection and such which is government funded, but because of the GP

This being a Formula 1 website- I honestly do not understand the fuss? Be thankful someone stook out his neck, in order to arrange for a Dutch GP.

“Where chopping is being done, chips will fall.”

Just check your facts lol cant imagine you being a real estate agent there and not read the news

[politburo]

Didn’t see P1, but can someone please explain to me how a Car stopped on track managed to take 38 minutes to recover

Did they have to call the RAC to recover it???

Vettel stopped right next to a marshal post at the pit exit (11:46), everyone was staring at him for minutes while he tried to use multiple fire extinguishers which seemingly did not work to his satisfaction (maybe wrong type?) somewhere in that timeframe they went from yellow to a red flag (11:48), then they rolled up with the recovery vehicle (11:51). It went back to yellow (11:53) and back to red (11:55) with Vettel grabbing another extinguisher in the meantime. Then some dudes in grey were trying to look into the hot air exhausts at the back and under the car (12:01), some Aston staff arrived (12:05) and also stared at the car when some dude dressed in yellow finally arrived to theck the car with a multimeter (12:07) and determined that they indeed had to use those thick gloves for recovery, maybe the Aston techs also did something but eventually they dangled the car on the hook (12:12) for fun, it took another few minutes until they managed to get it onto a truck (12:15), which then took the long way around the entire track - for some inexplicable reason they restarted the session another 9 minutes later (12:24).

BTW, it really looked like Ocon deliberately ran Norris off track (?), he was checking the mirrors the entire time and moved even further left when he saw him coming. Looked dirty.

Ocon, Gasly, and Tsunoda have kinda sneaked under the radar for all the blocking they like to do especially in qualifying. Ocon even blocked his own teammate in Silverstone on their final Q2 hot lap and also tried to squeeze Norris when overtaking. I remember laughing a lot it's actually funny the tactics played by these drivers.

[Mansell89]

Ferrari closer to the front than I expected.

Any thoughts on why the promising start?

[pb6797]

Ferrari closer to the front than I expected.

Any thoughts on why the promising start?

Similar to Monaco in some respects, so looks like it suits their car. Not massively power dependent so masks the weakness of their PU.

[politburo]

Gasly and Bottas nearly taking each other out, and it's only FP1. Quali is going to be an absolute mess at T11, 12 and 13.

[PlatinumZealot]

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PZ was this you?

Nah. My plane will be this over the grandstands at the chequered flag. Purple rain baby!

[El Scorchio]

As a bonus they took it on a parade lap around the entire track instead of putting the car in the first available spot ... cool ...

I understand that they have to be careful if the light on the car isn't green but this really shouldn't take half an hour, they were staring at the car for 15 minutes and it took the guy with the multimeter a mere 12 minutes to take a leisurely stroll to the car in order to confirm (?) that it is indeed unsafe so they had to use gloves when removing it - the FIA really needs to tighten down that procedure.

You'd think all marshals would just have the thick rubber gloves and still be able to work with a live car.

Just for when they have to touch the car, like getting a driver out. High electrics are dangerous, no need to take extra risk and go near the thing. One bad move or someone trips and you’re dead.

Yeah, I agree it's hard to blame the marshals at the post too much for immediate reactions. It's WAAAAAAY above their pay grade (they may not even have one of volunteering) to be putting themselves at risk messing about with potentially a live car. The organisation and procedure after that all seemed a bit of a shambles. (from race control as well, surprise surprise) The car was at the pit exit for goodness sake. Surely common sense dictates you just take the recovery truck in there that way.

[ferrarifire]

Twist and turns should help ferrari..also there is no not much high speed drs zones..

But again this is P1..it is hard to say ..

Ferrari closer to the front than I expected.

Any thoughts on why the promising start?

[Mr.S]

Probably the Ferrari car is being really hurt with the PU. The car is actually quite good in slow corners (as we saw in Monaco & Baku - Where it may well be the best of the field) & also decently good in high speed corners (not hugely off the pace). I think the PU upgrade could actually yield the rumoured 3-4 tenths for Ferrari & actually bring them closer to the field.

Also the track is so short that the gap is likely to be short. I think you will see the P1 Gap to the 1st Alpine/Alpha Tauri/Ashton Martin will be 0.6-0.7s odd.

[El Scorchio]

Ocon just a warning. That surprises me given his on board footage where he's looking and moving left the whole time Norris is coming up behind him. It looked quite bad.

[Mogster]

Wasn't this only because Bottas had a very compromised entry onto the straight after letting someone through?

Could lapped traffic play a role in the race?

Perhaps it was easier for Zandvoort to obtain Grade 1 since it held Grade 1 in the past and is a historic circuit?

The regulations for corner profiles, width and runoff seem to be far more stringent for brand new circuits (unless it is a street circuit where FIA seem less fussed!).

The circuit is a lot different than the pre-1989 track. Pit straight is a lot shorter and only around ⅓ of the old track is used.
Assen is a better track, but Zandvoort has the right backers.

Assen is a decent circuit for bikes, in cars it’s a dull flat Barcelona. I can’t see either offering much in the way of overtaking so between the two I’d much rather see F1 cars at roller coaster Zandvoort.