2012 Korean GP - Yeong-Am

[adam2003]

Looks to me like Red Bull are doing a first stint fuel load versus a second stint load for McLaren/Ferrari. Looking back at my notes from last year FP I had fuel effect at about a tenth - 0.101 to 0.103, to be exact.

I haven't taken a proper try at fitting a degradation & fuel model on the long run data yet, but taking Hail22's post at face value, if you did the rough maths - 1:46.3 - 1:44.920 is 1.38s difference. Taking an average fuel effect of 0.102, that leads to around 13.5 laps of fuel difference - enough of a difference to be the difference between first and second stint loads.

Looking back at my notes?
Do you collect every race/quail and practice times, you sound like a really hardcore fan

[Vanja #66]

I don't know about your data, but I had the RBs at 0.4 up from McLaren in Japan, and (strangely) Massa 0.9s up (quicker) than RB. In hindsight Massa was doing a 2nd-stint fuel load simulation.

I could have sworn it was 0.2s for Red Bull (vs. McLaren).

Now that I think about it, wasn't first-lap-nutcase flying in that period? He was all the time bellow 1:39, for 13 times, as I read. I wasn't taking those times seriously, so I forgot about them... I read the article again, it said that Vettel went bellow 1:39 for a few times, but did it with ease. Massa went four times and others were low 1:39. McLaren never went bellow 1:39, though.

[alogoc]

Andrew Benson @ andrewbensonf1
Interesting. Race sim avgs: Alonso 1:45.588; Massa 1:45.756; Button 1:45.797; Vettel 1:46.172; Raikkonen 1:46.368; Webber 1:46.461;

Not sure why you quoted me...my post is in regards to the "Fastest" lap posted from the race sim laps...however yours are based on the average from the race sim *confused to the reasoning behind quoting me*

show me please in your post where it says FASTEST?

[raymondu999]

Looks to me like Red Bull are doing a first stint fuel load versus a second stint load for McLaren/Ferrari. Looking back at my notes from last year FP I had fuel effect at about a tenth - 0.101 to 0.103, to be exact.

I haven't taken a proper try at fitting a degradation & fuel model on the long run data yet, but taking Hail22's post at face value, if you did the rough maths - 1:46.3 - 1:44.920 is 1.38s difference. Taking an average fuel effect of 0.102, that leads to around 13.5 laps of fuel difference - enough of a difference to be the difference between first and second stint loads.

Looking back at my notes?
Do you collect every race/quail and practice times, you sound like a really hardcore fan

Lol! I don't archive every single laptime

But I do conduct some number-crunching after practice - get a feel for how each team is doing in terms of race pace, and how each other team looks in comparison. I note the conclusions I get on tyre deg, fuel effect etc.

[f1316]

I think Ferrari look like they've got genuinely decent pace. I wouldn't expect to see Alonso on pole, but they look a lot more competitive from the very beginning than they have for some races. You can never tell who's doing what in early practices, but one generally gets a decent feel of who's got real pace.

If Alonso can qualify behind only Red Bull cars, I think we could have a very interesting race.

[Mika1]

Hamilton facing serious problems again. Not looking good.

[f1316]

Hamilton facing serious problems again. Not looking good.

Seems like it must be a really strange car to set-up. Both drivers have had issues throughout the season where setup changes suddenly made the car much worse.

When they get it right, it's super-fast, but it seems to be balanced on a bit of knife-edge.

[Gerhard Berger]

I think Ferrari look like they've got genuinely decent pace. I wouldn't expect to see Alonso on pole, but they look a lot more competitive from the very beginning than they have for some races. You can never tell who's doing what in early practices, but one generally gets a decent feel of who's got real pace.

If Alonso can qualify behind only Red Bull cars, I think we could have a very interesting race.

My thoughts exactly. P3 is the key. I'd then be confident of Alonso being able to out drag Webber at the start (or maybe pass him into turn 2) and take the fight to Vettel.

[Ferraripilot]

I didn't catch P2, can anyone tell me if W03 was running their 'device' in P2 as well? I know they ran it in P1...

[ChrisDanger]

I wonder why Lotus are testing the new exhausts on Kimi's car where he doesn't even know the circuit yet.

I saw an interview where a racer (pretty sure an F1 guy, but can't quite remember) said it took just 3 laps to get to know the track. Something like "Lap 1, layout; Lap 2, braking points; Lap 3, On it!" Kimi did say “Since I was very young, I have always been able to pick up circuits very quickly..." so yeah, no problem I would guess.

[f1316]

I think Ferrari look like they've got genuinely decent pace. I wouldn't expect to see Alonso on pole, but they look a lot more competitive from the very beginning than they have for some races. You can never tell who's doing what in early practices, but one generally gets a decent feel of who's got real pace.

If Alonso can qualify behind only Red Bull cars, I think we could have a very interesting race.

My thoughts exactly. P3 is the key. I'd then be confident of Alonso being able to out drag Webber at the start (or maybe pass him into turn 2) and take the fight to Vettel.

Interesting in P1 how fast both Ferraris were on tyres that had done early 20 laps. They mentioned how they were working on tyre usage, and they seem to be able to manage it well.

[alogoc]

Hamilton facing serious problems again. Not looking good.

He is leaving the team after the end of this season!

[WhiteBlue]

The FP2 times on supersofts are a bit deceptive because the track was still fairly green and Vettel took three laps to set his time. He messed up turn 1 two times before he got a good time on the third or fourth lap. So the difference could be more in qualifying than 0.33 s to Alonso. But Ferrari seems to have found some qualifying time with their updates. I'm looking forward to FP3 to see how it goes at McLaren after they had a bit of data analysis over the night.

[alogoc]

The FP2 times on supersofts are a bit deceptive because the track was still fairly green and Vettel took three laps to set his time. He messed up turn 1 two times before he got a good time on the third or fourth lap. So the difference could be more in qualifying than 0.33 s to Alonso. But Ferrari seems to have found some qualifying time with their updates. I'm looking forward to FP3 to see how it goes at McLaren after they had a bit of data analysis over the night.

Alonso also had traffic!

[adam2003]

The FP2 times on supersofts are a bit deceptive because the track was still fairly green and Vettel took three laps to set his time. He messed up turn 1 two times before he got a good time on the third or fourth lap. So the difference could be more in qualifying than 0.33 s to Alonso. But Ferrari seems to have found some qualifying time with their updates. I'm looking forward to FP3 to see how it goes at McLaren after they had a bit of data analysis over the night.

Alonso also had traffic!

When they look at the data, how many things on the car can they change must be loads of settings/angles/suspension, camber list goes on etc