2016 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, Fri 01 – Sun 03 Jul 2016

[iotar__]

without further derailing this thread,
Alonso's choise to leave Ferrari still has not been proven wrong. Alonso also won with Ferrari - though obviously not making it to the title.
This year, we'll still have to see whether they are going to have a win.
Now it's not like Mclaren has done as such that the move to Mclaren has proven anything positive - rather worse at this point, but - though
he has been saying things before that did not happen (with MCL) - but next year might prove interesting.

It has been proven wrong every single race in 15-16 (count them for precise number) and it's not up to discussion. It was a stupid decision and he has only himself to blame. You want to buy a land on the moon again (close to podiums) your problem but it doesn't change reality.

New tyre pressure checks to prevent deflating, FIA is again trying to fix the problem that according to (some) teams doesn't exist. Odd world of F1. http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia-a ... ks-793988/ I'll plough through with this theory :Red Bull is now in transitioning period - that's the reason for poor race pace, it's easier to control it over one lap and equipment changes (rims, brakes etc.) take time.

[Vasconia]

So basically we have mercedes fans mocking ferrari fans for being slow which are themselves mocking mclaren for being extra slow. Then we have mclaren fans mocking both mercedes and ferrari because they will be slow in 2017.
I have to say although pointless it really spices things up in the pre-race and probably in the post-race when the winner will come here to gloat.
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Poor Manor fans they have no one to mock, oh wait, perhaps Sauber?

[Schuttelberg]

Why are you always so rude? I mean does that make your opinion more valid?

Its weird how anti-Ferrari this guy is. I'm thinking maybe a Ferrari ran over his puppy.

Well, Well, Well.... While someone is having orgasms thinking of a Ferrari win, which to me is beyond the possibilities on merit, is a great a good thing for you and when I criticize that, it makes you bu** hurt? Get a life dude. As much as you feel orgasmic when someone speaks junk (Ferrari winning, margin is 0.1 sec to Merc, blah blah blah) about Ferrari here, you will find people like me, who absolute throw water on it, more so when it is absolute rubbish.

Finally, if you can't distinguish between, a criticism directed towards a brand like Ferrari and the criticism directed towards IDIOTS who are working to pull the brand down (with their inefficiencies), it's your handicap. Not my problem. It's not for me to be a cheerleader for losers.

And why is it beyond the realms of possibility exactly? Last year, Ferrari won three races on merit and have nearly won a couple this year. Or does it require your certificate of approval or merit of some kind?

Every Formula 1 team goes through tough times. It's the nature of the beast. I don't know how long you've been associated with the sport but this is the team that absolutely dominated the early decade. How many teams can boast of the fact that they've won championship after championship and competed for them even more.

If your criticism is hurled towards the 'recent' times at Ferrari, then yes, they've not won a title in 7 years, hardly a disaster or a catastrophe. How many teams on the grid have won 7 championships in the past 15 years in our sport? For sure, Ferrari expected to be closer this year and they're not, but considering where they were at the end of 2014 in a new 'turbo era' I think they've progressed massively. Yes, there are shortfalls on the aero side of things but it's been one and a half years this team has started working together and every project needs some time to show fruit. Sometimes, even that's not enough. None of us here are dreaming that we're suddenly ahead of Mercedes-Benz. All we're trying to discuss is that this circuit might suit Ferrari and they could win the grand prix, which a lot of reputed publishers, journalists and people within the sport believe. You absolutely have the right to contradict it, but to say Ferrari cannot compete with Mercedes and to make a 'joke' out of people that think so makes you come across as laughable and hilarious. If any team has managed to challenge Mercedes on the 'pace' front in the last two years, it's consistently been Ferrari. And, by your logic, every team in the paddock should pack up because there's no point showing up. Mercedes should just race themselves and we can delete all other threads here and just speak about them? Would that suit you mate?

[Big Mangalhit]

Poor Manor fans they have no one to mock, oh wait, perhaps Sauber?

Oh I heard hey mock the GP2 teams very aggressively, GPR-A is nothing compared to what Manor fans do the whole GP2 series.

[Sevach]

The yellow curbs can and will break suspensions if not respected.

[KBM Racing]

Nice to see Rosberg on top in FP1 with a smokin' 107.373 ...... Go Nico Go!!!

[Vasconia]

Nice to see Rosberg on top in FP1 with a smokin' 107.373 ...... Go Nico Go!!!

1º 06 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1'07"373 27
2º 44 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1'07"730 +00"357 25
3º 05 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari 1'08"022 +00"649 21
4º 07 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 1'08"222 +00"849 22
5º 03 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull 1'08"528 +01"155 25
6º 55 Carlos Sainz Toro Rosso 1'08"803 +01"430 24
7º 19 Felipe Massa Williams 1'08"824 +01"451 29
8º 35 Max Verstappen Red Bull 1'08"962 +01"589 21
9º 26 Daniil Kvyat Toro Rosso 1'08"990 +01"617 23
10º 77 Valtteri Bottas Williams 1'08"998 +01"625 31
11º 08 Romain Grosjean Haas 1'09"078 +01"705 27
12º 27 Nico Hulkenberg Force India 1'09"280 +01"907 34
13º 22 Jenson Button McLaren 1'09"365 +01"992 23
14º 14 Fernando Alonso McLaren 1'09"567 +02"194 22
15º 20 Kevin Magnussen Renault 1'09"707 +02"334 21
16º 94 Pascal Wehrlein Manor 1'09"775 +02"402 27
17º 30 Jolyon Palmer Renault 1'09"851 +02"478 25
18º 09 Marcus Ericsson Sauber 1'09"929 +02"556 29
19º 21 Esteban Gutiérrez Haas 1'10"110 +02"737 14
20º 12 Felipe Nasr Sauber 1'10"314 +02"941 21
21º 88 Rio Haryanto Manor 1'10"493 +03"120 18
22º 34 Alfonso Celis Force India 1'10"860 +03"487 32

[Juzh]

Sector times:


Speed traps:


2016 ferrari is +10 kmh on 2015 power unit in TR and +8kmh on their last's year best in qualifying.

[Big Mangalhit]

Depends on which speed trap you look, kimi was only 5Km/h faster than Kvyat on the "best speed". The same for Ferrari and STR on sector 2 and around 10 Km/h for sector 1 and 3.
I think it just shows top speed is meaningless it depends on how you exit the corner and probably how fast you accelerate out of a corner is more important for a lower lap time than top speed.

But I guess comparing engines in different chassis is just completely moot, I mean the difference between Ferrari and Haas (same engine) is bigger than Ferrari STR.

[Juzh]

Depends on which speed trap you look, kimi was only 5Km/h faster than Kvyat on the "best speed". The same for Ferrari and STR on sector 2 and around 10 Km/h for sector 1 and 3.
I think it just shows top speed is meaningless it depends on how you exit the corner and probably how fast you accelerate out of a corner is more important for a lower lap time than top speed.

But I guess comparing engines in different chassis is just completely moot, I mean the difference between Ferrari and Haas (same engine) is bigger than Ferrari STR.

I should have said I meant it in sector 1. Sorry.

[Big Mangalhit]

Depends on which speed trap you look, kimi was only 5Km/h faster than Kvyat on the "best speed". The same for Ferrari and STR on sector 2 and around 10 Km/h for sector 1 and 3.
I think it just shows top speed is meaningless it depends on how you exit the corner and probably how fast you accelerate out of a corner is more important for a lower lap time than top speed.

But I guess comparing engines in different chassis is just completely moot, I mean the difference between Ferrari and Haas (same engine) is bigger than Ferrari STR.

I should have said I meant it in sector 1. Sorry.

Far from me to criticise your post, just adding my two cents. Still thank you for all the information on the tables.

[Powy]

AmuS reports that tire pressure is measured before the tires are mounted on the cars from now on.

[Juzh]

Depends on which speed trap you look, kimi was only 5Km/h faster than Kvyat on the "best speed". The same for Ferrari and STR on sector 2 and around 10 Km/h for sector 1 and 3.
I think it just shows top speed is meaningless it depends on how you exit the corner and probably how fast you accelerate out of a corner is more important for a lower lap time than top speed.

But I guess comparing engines in different chassis is just completely moot, I mean the difference between Ferrari and Haas (same engine) is bigger than Ferrari STR.

I should have said I meant it in sector 1. Sorry.

Far from me to criticise your post, just adding my two cents. Still thank you for all the information on the tables.

2015 ferrari PU last year in qualifying managed 8 kmh less than it does in 2016 fp1 on a speed trap that's purely power related at 315 kmh. Just pointing out progress there.

[KBM Racing]

And....... it's wet in FP2 ..... but not before Nico set a 107. 967 good job!

[Roman]

Just some light rain

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