2024 Mclaren Formula 1 Team

[FittingMechanics]

The strangest thing from race control when 3 drivers have breached the rules to delete one lap from a race :
"noted, will evaluate after the race"
What is there to evaluate ? It was a binary yes/no decision - cars drove off on yellow lights.
What stewards' message really meant :
"we will decide based on race result in case there is going to be big repercussion on championship fight"

But that doesn't make sense. With Norris losing out heavily to Verstappen they could have given him a big penalty as it doesn't matter anymore. It would be much bigger issue if Norris won with a small margin and then the penalty would be potentially a big difference.

Or are you trying to claim they wanted to help Verstappen so if he finished behind, they would penalize Norris heavily. I'm sure you are not, but that would only make sense.

I agree they should have given the penalty immediately and not let it hang over their heads but I understand that they can't really go through all the rules and interpretations while the race is ongoing.

[FittingMechanics]

Best part of today's result in my opinion is the hyperventilating over the drivers championship should fade away. All the "McLaren have robbed Lando" will have to be forgotten by their authors. If we took a forward look before the season started at what would be a good outcome, most people would probably have said 3rd best car (WCC?). As it is, I'll take it. Still a bit to be done but it would be nice to finish 2024 strongly.

Agreed. I am happy that it almost certainly will not end up close with Verstappen so that we can go back and think about Austria (17 points swing), Hungary (7 points) and Italy (3 points) that Norris could have scooped up. Imagine how frustrating that would be. In a similar way I hope we don't miss out on WCC due to mistakes.

The season (and the car) went above all expectations. Some bad luck did go our way, that has to be said but the team also invited some bad luck by being indecisive. Drivers also made some mistakes that they need to work on. Norris needs to work on his starts and restarts, Piastri on his consistency.

[PapayaFan481]

Reprimand for Lando regarding the start.

Just to remind everyone, Leclerc and Verstappen got double that penalty for a swear word in a press conference.
I think Johnny Herbert should not be allowed anywhere near the stewards room from now on...

Well, this was a genuine procedural mistake in the heat of the moment at the most stressful point of the weekend.

Swearing in a press conference is a conscious choice not to act like a mature professional.

[basti313]

This is a normal situation for a reprimand. Late enough, usually I would let you sweat longer

This is uncharted territory. What I know is Norris&co made a mistake large enough to cut a lap out of the race distance. A reprimand is usually for a procedural error that has little to no effect on the race. Cutting laps out of it is definitely not "little to no effect".

Yes, but what else should they do? If it is "uncharted" hand out a reprimand and everyone is happy. Giving a 5 or 10sec without effect would be just a joke. So the reprimand is actually a correct solution and at least a real "penalty".

[mwillems]

Even a jump start isn't a DQ though, and that is an obvious competitive gain.

This was a safety issue. Why Stroll was still on track beggars belief, but watching him stand in the spot that his car slid into whilst the others all drove by was classic Stroll.

I know they were going slower but, er, Lance, maybe in front of your car is not a great place to hang out 5 minutes after your crash?

But pulling away in an aborted start is the main reason that happened, so it wasn't clever. I expected a fine, I was surprised we got away with a reprimand.

[Ben1980]

Reprimand for Lando regarding the start.

Just to remind everyone, Leclerc and Verstappen got double that penalty for a swear word in a press conference.
I think Johnny Herbert should not be allowed anywhere near the stewards room from now on...

The strangest thing from race control when 3 drivers have breached the rules to delete one lap from a race :
"noted, will evaluate after the race"
What is there to evaluate ? It was a binary yes/no decision - cars drove off on yellow lights.
What stewards' message really meant :
"we will decide based on race result in case there is going to be big repercussion on championship fight"

Dodnt the coverage say there was no penalty for this in the regulations. Or sonething like that. It clearly needed a full investigation, and it went on for hours it seems.

Not everything Is a conspiracy. In fact very little is.

[Madhouse]

I cannot wait for Oscar to be Number 1 driver in 2025 and show Norris how to put together a season without gifts.

What a salty comment to make about Max's win. Norris is lacking a champions mindset & I suspect this comes back to his upbringing & privilege of a well-off family.

[Ben1980]

I cannot wait for Oscar to be Number 1 driver in 2025 and show Norris how to put together a season without gifts.

What a salty comment to make about Max's win. Norris is lacking a champions mindset & I suspect this comes back to his upbringing & privilege of a well-off family.

People really take what a driver says generally after a disappointment way too personal.

The rest of what you say is just very strange.

[FittingMechanics]

Even a jump start isn't a DQ though, and that is an obvious competitive gain.

This was a safety issue. Why Stroll was still on track beggars belief, but watching him stand in the spot that his car slid into whilst the others all drove by was classic Stroll.

I know they were going slower but, er, Lance, maybe in front of your car is not a great place to hang out 5 minutes after your crash?

But pulling away in an aborted start is the main reason that happened, so it wasn't clever. I expected a fine, I was surprised we got away with a reprimand.

Decision Reprimand (Driving).
The driver is fined €5,000.

You mean you expected a time penalty or worse as well?

[proteus]

I cannot wait for Oscar to be Number 1 driver in 2025 and show Norris how to put together a season without gifts.

What a salty comment to make about Max's win. Norris is lacking a champions mindset & I suspect this comes back to his upbringing & privilege of a well-off family.

This year Norris received so much hate trough the season, it is unbeliveable really. Every word taken as harshly as possible. I would say that the saltiest people are those that hanged on every word he said.

There is no surprise Norris caved in against Max, who is a veteran of championship fighting. Lets take a look arround, shall we?

Leclerc with plenty mistakes, Sainz as well, Perez nowhere, Piastri and Russell also with their fair share of them, even almighty Hamilton with hit and miss performances trough the year.

But Norris is the only one getting bantered the whole time, but people do forget he needed to chase whole season and that Max used his fair share of dirty tricks to keep him behind when they were closely matched on track.

[FittingMechanics]

I cannot wait for Oscar to be Number 1 driver in 2025 and show Norris how to put together a season without gifts.

What a salty comment to make about Max's win. Norris is lacking a champions mindset & I suspect this comes back to his upbringing & privilege of a well-off family.

Piastri "gifted" a win to Piastri in Hungary. That "gift" is much bigger than anything Piastri did for Norris. What did it end up being, swap in Brazil sprint and swap in Brazil race?

[mwillems]

Even a jump start isn't a DQ though, and that is an obvious competitive gain.

This was a safety issue. Why Stroll was still on track beggars belief, but watching him stand in the spot that his car slid into whilst the others all drove by was classic Stroll.

I know they were going slower but, er, Lance, maybe in front of your car is not a great place to hang out 5 minutes after your crash?

But pulling away in an aborted start is the main reason that happened, so it wasn't clever. I expected a fine, I was surprised we got away with a reprimand.

Decision Reprimand (Driving).
The driver is fined €5,000.

You mean you expected a time penalty or worse as well?

I just expected something more substantial. I didn't realise he got a 5k fine, still feels small. I think he's lucky that many followed him otherwise it would have been worse, I think.

[proteus]

We need to be honest and admit that Mclaren and Norris werent ready for WDC. Hopefully they secure WCC, and make another step in the next season.

[_cerber1]

What a salty comment to make about Max's win. Norris is lacking a champions mindset & I suspect this comes back to his upbringing & privilege of a well-off family.

Yeah, and Verstappen's father probably stole bread to feed his son. Such fairy tales.

[_cerber1]

We need to be honest and admit that Mclaren and Norris werent ready for WDC. Hopefully they secure WCC, and make another step in the next season.

I think everyone has forgotten what Zak said about his goals before the season started, to win a few races and be on the podium regularly. Obviously, that has been ticked for a long time now and everything that is happening now is going beyond the plan.