2021 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 16 - 18

[godlameroso]

to use a penalty to overtake, in this case, overtake outside tracklimits, knowing you will beat the 5 second penalty, is unsportmanship. That means you can't defend from an overtake like that.

Yeah, and because of that, Verstappen/RBR gave the place back, they want to win the right way.

Um, that's a strait up fantasy!

Max wanted to keep the place because he thought he could pull a 5 second gap and thus negate the penalty. He even said so over the radio!

What you want to do is irrelevant, it's what you actually do that matters. The actual action taken by Verstappen, was sulking then accepting that he had to give the place back. Could he have done it with more maturity and grace, sure, but at the end of the day he did the right thing. You can call me deluded or whatever you want, you can't argue with actual physical deeds.

[dans79]

Yeah, and because of that, Verstappen/RBR gave the place back, they want to win the right way.

Um, that's a strait up fantasy!

Max wanted to keep the place because he thought he could pull a 5 second gap and thus negate the penalty. He even said so over the radio!

What you want to do is irrelevant, it's what you actually do that matters. The actual action taken by Verstappen, was sulking then accepting that he had to give the place back. Could he have done it with more maturity and grace, sure, but at the end of the day he did the right thing. You can call me deluded or whatever you want, you can't argue with actual physical deeds.

You said

they want to win the right way

It's blatantly obvious from the team radio, thats Max didn't want to win the right way, he just wanted to win.

[godlameroso]

Um, that's a strait up fantasy!

Max wanted to keep the place because he thought he could pull a 5 second gap and thus negate the penalty. He even said so over the radio!

What you want to do is irrelevant, it's what you actually do that matters. The actual action taken by Verstappen, was sulking then accepting that he had to give the place back. Could he have done it with more maturity and grace, sure, but at the end of the day he did the right thing. You can call me deluded or whatever you want, you can't argue with actual physical deeds.

You said

they want to win the right way

It's blatantly obvious from the team radio, thats Max didn't want to win the right way, he just wanted to win.

I respect your opinion, I will only re-state, in the end he did the right thing, and not only did he do the right thing, he also learned from it. He has evolved massively as a person just this season alone, he is not the same person from round 1.

[i70q7m7ghw]

Actual images

Race control have their own cameras that aren't part of the FOM feed, those cameras are fixed and watch every corner on the circuit. Effectively they would already have a much better fixed position angle of this, so this kind of thing won't count as new evidence.

They also have the telemetry for every car, so again they know anything Red Bull have with regards to the speed of the cars. I am strugglikng to understand what new evidence Red Bull are likely to present. I suspect it's very much a case of them trying anything possible under the rules because this represents a potentially championship deciding event.

EDIT: Here's a good overview that talks about what the stewards have:
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/s ... wards-room

It shows how they can use the the circuits own CCTV system in addition to the FOM footage that us regular punters see.

[the EDGE]

I think it’s pretty evident they believe they have evidence that Lewis would not of made the corner if he and Max hadn’t collided

[kenshi_blind]

They have nothing , this is just ridiculous. it was a racing incident and as others have posted in the thread Max had done worse before

[Hoffman900]

I can see it now...

"Lewis has the best car"
"Max has the best lawyers"

I feel like 80% of being a "fan of F1" is just whining.

[i70q7m7ghw]

Somewhat recent precedent for this: https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433 ... w-evidence

The FIA state that all of the evidence provided by Ferrari was already available to the stewards at the time of the decision and did not constitute significant or relevant new evidence. They also noted that the analysis by Karun Chandhok was 'personal opinion by a third party' and dismissed it.

So it seems very unlikely Red Bull have anything they could present that would likely result in a successful appeal. This is just because the option is available to them, and it's potentially the deciding factor in winning the championships so they must at least try.

[GOAT]

They have nothing , this is just ridiculous.

Honestly!

.. as others have posted in the thread ..

Excellent source.

[Wouter]

They have nothing , this is just ridiculous.

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Honestly!

.. as others have posted in the thread ..

Excellent source.

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@Kenshi_blind has a crystal ball. Didn't you know?

[wesley123]

I think it’s pretty evident they believe they have evidence that Lewis would not of made the corner if he and Max hadn’t collided

If they have that evidence, then what does that do? That seems to be completely irrelevant to the accident, as the collision happened before making/not making the corner was actually an issue.

Also, considering the speed they both had, this "not making the corner" would apply to Verstappen as well, rendering the whole thing moot.

[kenshi_blind]

They have nothing , this is just ridiculous.

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Honestly!

.. as others have posted in the thread ..

Excellent source.

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@Kenshi_blind has a crystal ball. Didn't you know?

spare me the sarcasm / mockery . i do not have a crystal ball, fact of the matter is this is just theatre now from Redbull, the stewards said it was a racing incident and it's time to move on

[foxmulder_ms]

They should have given 10sec penalty to Max not Ham. This is turning into comedy.

[Ryar]

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Honestly!


Excellent source.

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@Kenshi_blind has a crystal ball. Didn't you know?

spare me the sarcasm / mockery . i do not have a crystal ball, fact of the matter is this is just theatre now from Redbull, the stewards said it was a racing incident and it's time to move on

When did Stewards say it's racing incident? They found Hamilton guilty and punished him. Drivers don't get punished in racing incidents.

[Fnatic1]

Final piece of evidence which conclusively shows HAM is at fault for initiating the contact.

https://youtube.com/shorts/xGgpdb2WhRE?feature=share

No powerful interest (Sky, Barretto / Buxton) to interfere this time to put this as a racing incident or even try to blame this on VER

Of course they race on a track where incidents happen, so I am not sure what they want to say with that.