Mercedes W13

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FittingMechanics wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 21:17
timoth wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 20:03
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... 9tPtR.html

The part about PU positioning (Merc vs Ferrari) is very interesting. Merc has pushed PU as backward as possible, while Ferrari has pushed PU as forward as possible. There were rumors that with the understeer-y nature of new cars, RedBull was trying to put PU forward and immediately behind the cockpit. We haven't seen RedBull yet, but Ferrari clearly has done this.
It seems that in terms of weight distribution and Center of Gravity, this PU placement has helped Ferrari, but Merc on the other hand has much slimmer sidepods thanks to pushing PU backward and using more centerline cooling.

I wonder which solution will be more effective with the new cars?!!
I can't take that article seriously when he uses the render which positions sidepods well behind the mirrors! Real car has mirrors connected to the side pods. In fact, if you look at it right, Ferrari also has mirrors at the start of their sidepods like Mercedes. Silly stuff. Not to mention that Ferrari seems to have a "bulge" at the front of the sidepods and the real sidepod starts behind while Mercedes (on a real car) doesn't show this type of a bulge. It could mean Ferrari mounted engine further back than that.

Here - is there a big difference? Did Mercedes mount their engine behind or ahead of Ferrari - impossible to tell, especially not from a render which shows some kind of a fake car.
https://i.imgur.com/VSM1Vkc.png
What's the relation between sidepod and engine position?

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Is there U shaped part of the body left and right of the airbox (below INEOS red), starting next to drivers helmet looking like really small ferrari shaped sidepods but above the real sidepids?
You can see it on this two images and it is well seen from the side on other images.
Or my eyes are playing me?
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Another picture of the floor:

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miguelalvesreis wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 21:21
What's the relation between sidepod and engine position?
Engine can't sit outside of the sidepod. That's the only relation. My point is that Hughes couldn't really tell where the engine is mounted and he is basing his analysis on a render of a car that looks nothing like a real thing.

Mark Hughes in his article claims Mercedes mounted the engine further back. Quote:
"In order to maximise the distance between the front axle and the beginning of the sidepods within the permitted wheelbase, the power unit seems to have been mounted a long way back (as also on the Mercedes-engined Aston Martin), implying a short gearbox casing. It can be seen how the engine airbox and the associated plumbing begins much further behind the cockpit than on, say, the Ferrari."

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It’s strange when wibbly wobbly floors are more efficient then streamlined floors

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SmallSoldier wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 21:24
Another picture of the floor:

https://i.imgur.com/BaWIjol.jpg
Dare I say it? Sticky-uppy bits?

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Herr_Koos wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 21:33
SmallSoldier wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 21:24
Another picture of the floor:

https://i.imgur.com/BaWIjol.jpg
Dare I say it? Sticky-uppy bits?
Pressure sensors… And protection against drivers trying to ram him out of the track (just kidding… Just pressure sensors) 😁

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SmallSoldier wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 21:21
Very nice picture of the W13 on track… No rake whatsoever

https://i.imgur.com/HKofqyv.jpg
It even looks like the front of the floor is higher up than the rear of the floor! Something like "reverse rake" let's say :P
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cirrusflyer wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 21:22
Is there U shaped part of the body left and right of the airbox (below INEOS red), starting next to drivers helmet looking like really small ferrari shaped sidepods but above the real sidepids?
You can see it on this two images and it is well seen from the side on other images.
Or my eyes are playing me?
Do you mean the area at the back of the cockpit and halo?

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bosyber wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 21:42
cirrusflyer wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 21:22
Is there U shaped part of the body left and right of the airbox (below INEOS red), starting next to drivers helmet looking like really small ferrari shaped sidepods but above the real sidepids?
You can see it on this two images and it is well seen from the side on other images.
Or my eyes are playing me?
Do you mean the area at the back of the cockpit and halo?
Yes! 😀
It protrudes below red merc star and finishes near the first grey merc star.
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From the side, right of AMD. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FL5cOzYXsAA ... =4096x4096

And from the back, left of airbox (betwin halo and airbox)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FL3rGbrXIAU ... name=large
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cirrusflyer wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 21:55
From the side right of AMD. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FL5cOzYXsAA ... =4096x4096
its just where the Halo & headrest pretude

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what is that body panel below the Teamviewer? hmm

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the EDGE wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 21:58
cirrusflyer wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 21:55
From the side right of AMD. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FL5cOzYXsAA ... =4096x4096
its just where the Halo & headrest pretude
Yes. I wonder if there is U shaped channal betwin halo and air box?
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F1NAC wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 22:00

what is that body panel below the Teamviewer? hmm
My educated guess would be space for cooling louvres depending on ambient conditions.