Pirelli will take Bridgestone's place after 2010

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http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/ ... finalized/?

Bernie is getting tired of Ferrari, McLaren and Renault stalling the selection process. I thought that the other 9 teams have a solid 70% majority and should be able to make a decision? So why can the big teams stall it?

The other question is why they tolerate that Michelin principally demand competition if they can avoid that unpalatable issue completely by going Pirelli? The bigger teams are probably seeing an advantage in high testing costs which would put the small teams on a back foot. And once you have your preferred tyre supplier on board you have the chance to sneek in competition much easier.
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84226
Interesting, now Jean seem to take a stand against FOTA. Maybe negotiations didn't come to anything. However, it is strange that FIA launches a tender that teams would pay in the end.

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Wow, they must have really hit a nerve with Todt for him to speak so strongly.
When asked if, in the wake of FOTA pushing on with the Pirelli option, the FIA had a say, Todt said: "Of course it does. And it [the FIA] will soon launch a tender, with the commercial promoter of the championship, Bernie Ecclestone.

"FOTA may suggest that it decides, but the strong man is not he who speaks the loudest."
It sounds as if Todt will go in to pick some very hot potatoes. Strange thing in the light of his previous conduct as the FiA president.
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Or maybe they're leaning toward the wrong supplier. Todt wants Michelin, we'll have Michelin - simple as that, so it seems. This is the first decidedly Max-like move that Todt has made, btw. It will be interesting to see how the teams react.

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very strange, if the FIA was so interested in who gets the contract why are they waiting tillnow to put out a tender?

something fishy is going on

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Looks like the Todt-FIA/FOTA honeymoon is over - half a year was a good holiday!
timbo wrote:However, it is strange that FIA launches a tender that teams would pay in the end.
The governing body chooses the tyre in MotoGP, Superbikes, GP2, A1GP.. etc

Its actually odd that the control tyre would be chosen solely by the teams themselves.

Seems Todt is putting his foot down on the issue, reminding FOTA/Michelin/Pirelli of their places. And fair enough too.
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It also crossed my mind that it seems like his first personal comment on behalf of FIA. Previously it was more in press-releases.

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The thing that crossed my mind on second thought is some foul play could be going on. If Todt has received complaints from some of the teams that manipulations are happening instead of a fair bidding he would have a reason for stepping in.
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ISLAMATRON wrote:very strange, if the FIA was so interested in who gets the contract why are they waiting tillnow to put out a tender?

something fishy is going on
That was my thought (I'm going to be branded Mr Conspiracy sooner or later), but why now when mutual agreement has almost been reached? If it was the FIA's game plan all along to make the selection then a) why wait until it's already nearly too late in the car design process for teams to correctly adapt before stepping in? and b) why allow the teams to carry out such an involved selection process that included plenty of public announcements and allow it to draw to a conclusion before saying "hang on a sec guys, we've decided to take over now and start again from scratch".

I'm struggling to think of reasons though: The FIA have genuine concerns about the quality of tyres being offered? The grandee teams have been bumped into a decision they weren't happy with by the mid-field and back of grid teams (or visa versa) and are kicking up a fuss via the FIA? One of the big teams (with or without historical links to Todt) has decided that it's not doing as well as it would like right now and wants to throw in a really late change to next years cars in an effort to mix up the grid and try to return to the top of the pile? Todt has decided to stamp his authority on F1 just when things seemed to be going so well?

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Which is why this tactic is so Max-like. He was famous for allowing others to take the lead on something, and then step in at the last minute, claiming they took too long or something. Todt couldn't even resist throwing in a few of Max's belittling comments into the mix.

If there were truly something wrong with the process, Todt would have stepped in earlier, or would be more forthcoming about what the problems were. And he'd be offering to help with a solution rather than just taking the process into his own hands.

I fear that this is Michelin and nothing else. And while I do think they'd be the best choice, this isn't the way I'd like to see them get the bid.

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More evidence that F1 is an f'in mess.
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No, it just proves that it's run by humans and it's no different than any other sporting event run by us. It's still subject to our imperfections.
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Jersey Tom wrote:More evidence that F1 is an f'in mess.
I'm with JT here. Having 3 separate factions that control F1 is crazy. Bridgestone gave notice 6 or 9 months ago, and now one of the factions is suggesting they will start putting the tire bid up for tender soon.

I don't care what faction(s) wins the coming power war for ~2013 on. I just hope F1 doesn't continue the current 3-factions system.

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Michelin concerned about tyre delay

The situation is getting really worse; car designers must be berserk by now over the issue..... #-o

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Team principals: Eric Boullier (Renault), Norbert Haug (Mercedes), Christian Horner (Red Bull), Martin Whitmarsh (McLaren)

Q: (Gaetan Vigneron – RTBF) Question to all of you regarding the decision for tyres for next year. Jean Todt has said that it’s a decision of the FIA and of Bernie Ecclestone. What’s your opinion about that? It seems to be quite urgent, so when could we have a final decision?
MW: I think what Jean’s reflecting is that current regulations require the FIA to go out to tender and clearly that is something we all have a vested interest in concluding. I think teams, the FIA, the commercial rights holder have been working hard to reach a conclusion and I’m sure they will be able to shortly.
CH: I think the only thing to add is that the sole supplier situation that we have in Formula One has enabled independent teams such as ourselves to be competitive with automotive-owned teams and larger organisations. I think the most fundamental thing going forward is that we have equality of tyre supply. In the situation that we have at the moment, we have a good tyre supplier who unfortunately won’t be with us in 2011. I think the teams are clear where they want to go with the options that are on the table and hopefully the FIA together with Bernie Ecclestone can come to a similar conclusion.
MW: I think it’s urgent for whoever comes in. They need to get the tyres designed, developed and work out the logistics of manufacturing the number of tyres required and servicing Formula One next year and for the teams, we need it very urgently, so that we can design next year’s car, because clearly the tyre characteristics are a fundament starting point for the layout of next year’s car. So it’s pretty urgent really, for the tyre companies and for the teams.

Q: (MC) And are you going to want to test those tyres before the end of this season?
MW: I think the two companies that have been expressing an interest have got views on how they would test, whether they would test with teams or by other means but again, the quicker and earlier we can test and validate the design characteristics have been met and the things are safe the better. It’s going to be difficult. All of the teams, over the last couple of years, have now stood down their test teams, so none of us, frankly, are equipped to go out there testing and tyre testing as we did before. There have been a lot of initiatives in Formula One to reduce costs and I think we’ve got to be careful we don’t creep back in the wrong direction in dealing with this change, but I’m sure it’s something that together we will work through satisfactorily.
If you listen to Christian Horner you get the impression that someone made an intervention with Jean Todt and that someone could have easily been Dietrich Mateschitz.

The automotive teams have some leverage to influence tyre suppliers by waving order forms in their direction. I suspect that there was some below table play. From a commercial point of view the Pirelli deal was always the better deal.
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