Belgian GP 2010 - Spa Francorchamps

[marcush.]

so he´s done and should retire ..together with Schumacher and Vettel who was also not matching webbers time ...?

[myurr]

If Alonso is running a wet set up biased enough to make him qualify in P10 why is he running less rear wing than the McLaren, and why did he do worse than he did in Q2 when it was bone dry?

Alonso Q2:1:47.544
Alonso Q3:1:47.441

http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2010/836/6776/

All very good, but the rest of the field sped up in Q3, otherwise he wouldn't have qualified where he did. Naturally I was talking about relative times.

[ell66]

so he´s done and should retire ..together with Schumacher and Vettel who was also not matching webbers time ...?

lol you tottaly missed the point.

how can hebe satisfied with being neary half a second of his team mate?

[pdezzi]

Well done Webber. He seemed to be the only one taking his banker lap seriously. Everyone else must have trusted the weather forecasts. The fools.

[zenithbeach]

now that glock got a 5 grid slot penalty for impeding yamamoto..

whats the grid gonna look like now that rosberg and glock got 5 and schumacher got 10 slots extra? im a bit confused

[zgred]

And Buemi penalised for blocking Rosberg

Buemi qualified 15th on the grid. He was due to start 13th as both Mercedes drivers ahead have to serve penalties, but he will drop five places along with Rosberg, Schumacher and Virgin's Timo Glock.

And from FIA document: No.31

No / Driver 16 - Sebastien Buemi
Team Scuderia Toro Rosso
Time 14:49:00
Session Qualifying
Fact Impeding car no. 4
Offence Breach of Article 31.7 of the 2010 FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations
Penalty A drop of 3 grid positions

No.26

No / Driver 24 - Timo Glock
Team Virgin Racing
Time 14:20:00
Session Qualifying
Fact Impeding car no. 20
Offence Breach of Article 31.7 of the 2010 FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations
Penalty A drop of 5 grid positions

[marcush.]

neither Button nor Hamilton can be happy they did not throw in all for the first run in Q3 not using fresh rubber that is but obviously it was a close call to do.
So with fresh tyres they already had water coming down in s1 and that spoiled their
times.In these conditons it is very easy to have a small glitchcosting you half a second..it might have been have just been the better choice to go webbers route..
they thought it would work for them but it did not,just.
I´m quite amused about you all being so hard on these very competent drivers.If you think about it ...Webbers time must have been veryy close to what was possible on the day.. to be less than .5% away from that under unpredictable conditions is not bad and nothing to be ashamed of ...what have these drivers to do to earn your respect?

If one chap gets continously trounced by more than a second ,I´d say fair enough he just has not got it . But thats not the case here.

[Pup]

...Webbers time must have been veryy close to what was possible on the day...

Grid by best sector times:
HAM 1:45.508
VET 1:45.703 0.195
BUT 1:45.772 0.264
WEB 1:45.778 0.270
KUB 1:46.098 0.590
MAS 1:46.314 0.806
BAR 1:46.378 0.870
SUT 1:46.543 1.035
HUL 1:46.753 1.245
ALO 1:46.812 1.304

Sum of best sectors vs Best Q3 Lap time:
WEB: 0.000
MAS: 0.000
KUB: -0.002
SUT: -0.116
BAR: -0.224
HUL: -0.300
HAM: -0.355
VET: -0.424
BUT: -0.434
ALO: -0.629

[rich1701]

Top speeds qualifying:

1 Felipe Massa 312.9
2 Sebastian Vettel 307.8
3 Jenson Button 307.4
4 Lewis Hamilton 307.3
5 Robert Kubica 307.0
6 Mark Webber 306.2
7 Jaime Alguersuari 305.5
8 Adrian Sutil 304.9
9 Nico Rosberg 304.4
10 Kamui Kobayashi 304.1
11 Heikki Kovalainen 303.9
12 Sebastien Buemi 303.6
13 Fernando Alonso 303.5

No way that Alonso is nearly 10km/h slower than Massa. I reckon this substantiates the wet-biased set-up claim.

I'm actually going to call it the other way and say that Alonso went with a setup too biased towards dry running. He had visibly less wing than the McLarens, according to Ted on the BBC, and thus was able to carry less apex speed through the corners leading and had worse traction, leading to the lower speeds through the speed trap at Radillon.

Given that the last runs were in partially wet conditions, Alonso would have benefitted from a wet setup and not lost out.

Alonso had visibly MORE rear wing from what i could see... I think it is difficult to judge the threshold of effectiveness of different teams F Ducts at higher and lower wing angles. Alonso was running alot more wing that his team mate though.

[marcush.]

...Webbers time must have been veryy close to what was possible on the day...

Grid by best sector times:
HAM 1:45.508
VET 1:45.703 0.195
BUT 1:45.772 0.264
WEB 1:45.778 0.270
KUB 1:46.098 0.590
MAS 1:46.314 0.806
BAR 1:46.378 0.870
SUT 1:46.543 1.035
HUL 1:46.753 1.245
ALO 1:46.812 1.304

Sum of best sectors vs Best Q3 Lap time:
WEB: 0.000
MAS: 0.000
KUB: -0.002
SUT: -0.116
BAR: -0.224
HUL: -0.300
HAM: -0.355
VET: -0.424
BUT: -0.434
ALO: -0.629

so it goes posting before calculating is not the best of ideas.. but there you go...
so at least it was very close to what was possible for Webbo todays...

then again we can see that both Mclaren pilots left too much on the plate in Q3
as did Vettel..thanks for putting things right,pup.

[zgred]

FIA publishes amended Spa grid

Pos Driver Team
1. Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault
2. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes
3. Robert Kubica Renault
4. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault
5. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes
6. Felipe Massa Ferrari
7. Rubens Barrichello Williams-Cosworth
8. Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes
9. Nico Hulkenberg Williams-Cosworth
10. Fernando Alonso Ferrari
11. Jaime Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari
12. Vitantonio Liuzzi Force India-Mercedes
13. Heikki Kovalainen Lotus-Cosworth
14. Nico Rosberg Mercedes *
15. Jarno Trulli Lotus-Cosworth
16. Sebastien Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari **
17. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari
18. Bruno Senna HRT-Cosworth
19. Sakon Yamamoto HRT-Cosworth
20. Timo Glock Virgin-Cosworth ***
21. Michael Schumacher Mercedes ****
22. Pedro de la Rosa Sauber-Ferrari
23. Lucas di Grassi Virgin-Cosworth
24. Vitaly Petrov Renault

* Five-place penalty for gearbox change
** Three-place penalty for impeding Rosberg
*** Five-place penalty for impeding Yamamoto
**** 10-place penalty for Barrichello incident in Hungary

[Pup]

then again we can see that both Mclaren pilots left too much on the plate in Q3
as did Vettel...

Yeah, Webber and Kubica really benefitted from putting in a solid first attempt. Without a wet 1st corner, I think we would have had a very different grid - at least through P5.

[marcush.]

FIA publishes amended Spa grid

Pos Driver Team
1. Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault
2. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes
3. Robert Kubica Renault
4. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault
5. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes
6. Felipe Massa Ferrari
7. Rubens Barrichello Williams-Cosworth
8. Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes
9. Nico Hulkenberg Williams-Cosworth
10. Fernando Alonso Ferrari
11. Jaime Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari
12. Vitantonio Liuzzi Force India-Mercedes
13. Heikki Kovalainen Lotus-Cosworth
14. Nico Rosberg Mercedes *
15. Jarno Trulli Lotus-Cosworth
16. Sebastien Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari **
17. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari
18. Bruno Senna HRT-Cosworth
19. Sakon Yamamoto HRT-Cosworth
20. Timo Glock Virgin-Cosworth ***
21. Michael Schumacher Mercedes ****
22. Pedro de la Rosa Sauber-Ferrari
23. Lucas di Grassi Virgin-Cosworth
24. Vitaly Petrov Renault

* Five-place penalty for gearbox change
** Three-place penalty for impeding Rosberg
*** Five-place penalty for impeding Yamamoto
**** 10-place penalty for Barrichello incident in Hungary

how come that Rosberg got a 5 place penalty ,but is only dropping two?

[aral]

Alonso had visibly MORE rear wing from what i could see... I think it is difficult to judge the threshold of effectiveness of different teams F Ducts at higher and lower wing angles. Alonso was running alot more wing that his team mate though.

Massa was actually running a DIFFERENT rear wing.

[747heavy]

how come that Rosberg got a 5 place penalty ,but is only dropping two?

I think it´s the timing of the offence.
You take Schumachers penality first, so he would have finished in 11th + 5places
is 16th, then take the Buemi penality and that would make 15th.
But you are right it should be 15th not 14th. IMHO