Belgian GP 2010 - Spa Francorchamps

[marcush.]

that was my opinion as well..so where is the mistake in our calc?

[Gaara]

Alonso's running a wet setup?

[andrew]

Correct, it was a wet set-up. Obviously Ferrari are convinced of rain tomorrow.

[747heavy]

sure a full wet setup includes much more then just wing angle, but I would think, that
this (wing AoA) and a different gurney flap etc. could be still changed on the grid or before the race No???.
I´m relative sure that the grid is not under parc fermme conditions, so it´s a bit surprising to me that they would stay with that much wing in Qualifying, if they feel it´s getting drier and that less DF/drag would be better.

On the other hand, this is maybe one of the draw backs with the F-Duct.
It´s quite possible, that the whole system (F-duct) is so sensible/complex that you just can´t quickly alter rear wing angle anymore.
I don´t know??
Anybody some comments on this - please?

[marcush.]

747h ,sorry not an option ,parc ferme till start of the race ..or start from the pitlane..

34.4 Five hours before the start of the formation lap the seals and covers may be removed but the cars will remain under parc ferme conditions until the start of the race.
34.5 If a competitor modifies any part on the car or makes changes to the set up of the suspension whilst the car is being held under parc ferme conditions the relevant driver must start the race from the pit lane and follow the procedures laid out in Article 38.2.

[zenithbeach]

how come that Rosberg got a 5 place penalty ,but is only dropping two?

I think it´s the timing of the offence.
You take Schumachers penality first, so he would have finished in 11th + 5places
is 16th, then take the Buemi penality and that would make 15th.
But you are right it should be 15th not 14th. IMHO

i think they took glock's penalty before buemi's, since glock's was issued earlier. at that time rosberg was 16th, so because of glock he got to 15.
then they penalised buemi (who went from 13 to 16) which left one spot for rosberg to fill. hence the 14

he's been quite lucky i dare say.

[747heavy]

how come that Rosberg got a 5 place penalty ,but is only dropping two?

I think it´s the timing of the offence.
You take Schumachers penality first, so he would have finished in 11th + 5places
is 16th, then take the Buemi penality and that would make 15th.
But you are right it should be 15th not 14th. IMHO

i think they took glock's penalty before buemi's, since glock's was issued earlier. at that time rosberg was 16th, so because of glock he got to 15.
then they penalised buemi (who went from 13 to 16) which left one spot for rosberg to fill. hence the 14

he's been quite lucky i dare say.

Thanks Zenithbeach - that could explain it.
I´m still a bit puzzled, but that does not mean much.

[thestig84]

I dont buy into this whole set setup thing. Time and time again I have heard teams and drivers say there isnt much to change for a wet setup. Just raise the hide height and front wing.

Christian Horner quote from Monaco
"to be honest, these days the difference between a wet set-up and a dry set-up isn’t that great and especially with the driver controls that are available to the drivers, such as the moveable front wing, they are able to have a degree of tuning within the cockpit."

The Torro Rossos are on a 'wet' setup and it didnt seem to drop them right down. The 2 different Ferrari wings are just like the 2 differing Mclaren front wings, driver preference IMO.

[747heavy]

747h ,sorry not an option ,parc ferme till start of the race ..or start from the pitlane..

34.4 Five hours before the start of the formation lap the seals and covers may be removed but the cars will remain under parc ferme conditions until the start of the race.
34.5 If a competitor modifies any part on the car or makes changes to the set up of the suspension whilst the car is being held under parc ferme conditions the relevant driver must start the race from the pit lane and follow the procedures laid out in Article 38.2.

Thanks for the heads up Marcus - appriciated !!!
=D> =D>

[zgred]

I´m still a bit puzzled, but that does not mean much.

Take a look at the table. Grey cell is for the drivers who gain from the penalty of the other one.



Rosberg simply lost 5 places but was lucky to gain place two times.

EDIT: Ups. Poor Petrov - for sure he is in P24. My mistake

[ESPImperium]

The only time Ferarri can remove any gurney flap is in the pits during a pit stop as the race isnt in Parc Ferme conditions.

Im expecting at least 3 cars to start from the pits tomorrow, Petrov and both BMW Saubers, if its fully wet. There may be more than that, Di Grasi and one of the HRTs may also look at that strategy if its raining hard enough and wont be going away from anytime arround 10am to arround 13:15pm.

Im also looking forward to most certain carnage on the first lap, to the extent that there could be multiple retirements and a total freak result at the end of it.

[747heavy]

Thanks guys =D> =D>
well done

[marcush.]

the timed penalty thing is not fair at all ,i´d say ...Iunderstand that a Safetycar is a bit of a roulette..and luck involved...but why should one be ble to get his penalty
halved because of the fact that aanother one gets a penalty..there is no logic in this.
Or do I miss something in the equation ,when all get their penalty added after Q3? The only case that could be debatable would be to competitors receiving different penalties relegating both to the same spot ...but other?


Who would listen to Horner?

If you dare setup your car for full wet conditons that will have not much in common with a dry setup.
Obviously if Q was in dry and race is wet you don´t have much to play with ,as parcferme rules are in place..surely that dictates your approach in terms of wet weather setups ...but as we see there are circumstances when it entirely makes sense to go for it.

[wesley123]

Correct, it was a wet set-up. Obviously Ferrari are convinced of rain tomorrow.

Well, I am pretty much convinced that if it rain tomorrow teams are allowed modifications to the car, as it didn't rain the whole session such thing will then be allowed i thought

[thestig84]

Horner was just the first quote google threw up, Ive heard it from many people/teams. Why not believe it?

You really think Alonso willingly threw away good track position (we know how importatant that is) on the hope it it will be wet while in an intense championship battle. Also leaving him a sitting duck if it is dry. Rubbish I think. James Allen (maybe you dont believe him either) also agrees, he said it was just the Ferrari didnt suit the mixed/damp conditions