Pirelli will take Bridgestone's place after 2010

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Re: Who will take Bridgestone's place after 2010?

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pirelli won't have anything except a single supply position , the $500,000 per team they will charge won't cover having to constantly upgrade in a competitive situation ; so they will withdraw and leave michelin in a monopoly position ; so michelin will withdraw and .........

basically F1 tyres are old technology

so I am 100% for a single tyre supplier , don't want to see a couple of teams getting preference like they did before ; don't care very much who it is , just make the tyres less durable than they are this year ...look what happened at montreal when the tyres were marginal , best racing of the year ; let's have that everywhere; so it will mean 3/4 stops at montreal ? no problem
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Same old same old, but how hard is Todt going to push?

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84494

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lebesset wrote:because pirelli are currently used in various racing formulae , and are used on many of the world's fastest road cars
except for bridgestone who have withdrawn , who has recent experience of F1 tyre production ?
let me put it the other way , is there any reason to suggest that any other company can make better F1 tyres than pirelli ?
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It looks like Pirelli is gonna make it. There are already speculations in the Italian press how they could use the ex Toyota cars to do the tyre testing in a neutral way.
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It seems that FOTA (McLaren) are wanting Michelin but Pirelli is looking the firm favorite. Apparently, Avon are in with a shout. I read somewhere that Bernie is connected to Avon tyres. Anyone know if this is true or not?

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German source Auto Motor und Sport reported in March that Bernie would act as a distributer of Avon tyres to the teams. Lap times compared with Bridgestone were estimated to rise by 3 s due to much harder compounds and old construction technology.

We can assume it would be a money spinner and a way to take control of the spec. The tyre technology would become 100% tailor made for FOM's show requirements.

FOTA majority is reported to support Pirelli. Automotive teams Ferrari, Renault and McLaren are reportedly favoring Michelin. Non automotive teams are concerned that Michelin would provide automotive customers with better service and information to get access to their road car business.
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Will Buxton sheds some light on the situation...

http://willthef1journo.wordpress.com/
It now seems clear that one of the reasons Jean Todt has been so quiet is that the role of the FIA President in Formula 1 has been enormously marginalised by the increased strength and power of FOTA. FOTA’s decision to wade into the tyre debate came after the teams felt the FIA President had overstepped his mark by as good as agreeing terms with Michelin before they’d even been consulted. Now there is the argument that the FIA should not be involved in the decision at all because with the teams paying for tyres this is a commercial issue. Not so, says the FIA, as the choice of tyres is a sporting a safety issue, and thus of course involves the FIA. But if it involves the FIA, then the FIA has broken its own rules as the supply deal was never officially put out to tender.

I asked Martin Whitmarsh, FOTA Chairman, in Canada whether this was all essentially politics, and the FIA President stamping his feet, Rumplestiltskin style, in order to get himself heard for the first time in his Presidency. He simply gave me one of those knowing looks, smiled, and laughed, before giving me a beautifully neutral answer.
This would explain why Todt would wade in at so late of a date. He and Michelin were probably willing to let this go through FOTA, when they assumed that the outcome would be a rubber stamp for Michelin. Instead, the tide turned to Pirelli, so Todt steps in at the last minute to try to salvage the Michelin bid. Not surprising, but disappointing nonetheless.

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http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/ ... -nonsense/

don't thing gerhard is being paid by pirelli either
don't think he has a vested interest any more
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Berger is a friend of Mateschitz and can be expected to express the Red Bull position which is pro Pirelli. They are concerned that Michelin will do another 2005 style coop with one of the automotive teams. Money isn't their primary concern.
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aren't all the teams except the objectors aware that michelin have form about backing particular horses ?
if not , they should be
not that bridgestone didn't do the same thing with ferrari
that's why I am all in favour of a single supplier , don't care who it is

even then I would want to see a controlled system to ensure that all teams get EXACTLY the same product
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No one is concerned about that. The smaller teams are concerned about cost, plain and simple, and the bigger teams couldn't care less. They all agreed on Pirelli in Monaco, and no one has changed their mind. The only hold up is the FIA. WB has conjured this intra-team battle from thin air.

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Pup wrote: WB has conjured this intra-team battle from thin air.
I didn't. I have quoted it from a reliable source. Pup is agitating against me.
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WhiteBlue wrote:I didn't. I have quoted it from a reliable source. Pup is agitating against me.
Cry me a river. The article you quoted says nothing at all about the teams being divided. You're making it up. :^o

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Wouldn't be the first time.
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Won't be the last.