2021 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix - Yas Marina, Dec 10 - 12

[Ryar]

Hopefully Masi will be gone by the first race, he simply isn't up to the task of doing what is a fairly simple job!

Using the same logic, shouldn't Mercedes fire James Vowels for his incompetence? May be if he would have done his job right through the year, the situation wouldn't be what it was. But I know what the answer would be.

[les arcs]

You really have lost the plot.

Hopefully Masi will be gone by the first race, he simply isn't up to the task of doing what is a fairly simple job!

Using the same logic, shouldn't Mercedes fire James Vowels for his incompetence? May be if he would have done his job right through the year, the situation wouldn't be what it was. But I know what the answer would be.

[KeiKo403]

Hopefully Masi will be gone by the first race, he simply isn't up to the task of doing what is a fairly simple job!

Using the same logic, shouldn't Mercedes fire James Vowels for his incompetence? May be if he would have done his job right through the year, the situation wouldn't be what it was. But I know what the answer would be.

Is that the same James Vowels who has overseen the strategy for 7 out of the last 8 driver’s championships and 8 out of last 8 constructors championships? He’s so bad at his job…

1. Red Bull needed Newey to help develop the car mid season - Are we to take from that that Red Bull without Newey aren't enough.
2. Weak FIA stewarding favouring a particular driver helped
3. Poor Race Direction - Spa & Saudi with special deals!?
4. Mercedes are terrible at strategy

But despite all of that Hamilton was winning the championship 145 seconds from the end of the final race. Until 1 decision from a lone individual went against the rules and all but handed the race win and championship the other driver, at the expense of fair and legal racing.

Being able to admit how Verstappen won that championship wasn't right doesn't take away the achievement. He's the champ, he'll race with the number 1 this season, it's ok - No Worries

[PlatinumZealot]

Hopefully Masi will be gone by the first race, he simply isn't up to the task of doing what is a fairly simple job!

Using the same logic, shouldn't Mercedes fire James Vowels for his incompetence? May be if he would have done his job right through the year, the situation wouldn't be what it was. But I know what the answer would be.

I like red herring for breakfast but I can't take your kind offering at this time. Sorry.

[siskue2005]

So what’s the heart of the argument from those who say nothing was wrong? And does the argument still have legs or were they shot off

There are always going to be some people who think it was fine. No one can change that, but that doesnt suddenly make the whole situation normal.
The latest social media trend is that u can do whatever u want to win, this also adds up that there are alot of haters in social media now.

[siskue2005]

Hopefully Masi will be gone by the first race, he simply isn't up to the task of doing what is a fairly simple job!

I am sure he is already gone

[Ryar]

Hopefully Masi will be gone by the first race, he simply isn't up to the task of doing what is a fairly simple job!

Using the same logic, shouldn't Mercedes fire James Vowels for his incompetence? May be if he would have done his job right through the year, the situation wouldn't be what it was. But I know what the answer would be.

Is that the same James Vowels who has overseen the strategy for 7 out of the last 8 driver’s championships and 8 out of last 8 constructors championships? He’s so bad at his job…

1. Red Bull needed Newey to help develop the car mid season - Are we to take from that that Red Bull without Newey aren't enough.
2. Weak FIA stewarding favouring a particular driver helped
3. Poor Race Direction - Spa & Saudi with special deals!?
4. Mercedes are terrible at strategy

But despite all of that Hamilton was winning the championship 145 seconds from the end of the final race. Until 1 decision from a lone individual went against the rules and all but handed the race win and championship the other driver, at the expense of fair and legal racing.

Being able to admit how Verstappen won that championship wasn't right doesn't take away the achievement. He's the champ, he'll race with the number 1 this season, it's ok - No Worries

What a smokescreen! A Class of the field car for 7 years, leaps and bounds ahead on performance, could lap the entire field leading and moves through the field like it didn't exist even when started from last, didn't really need a strategy to really pull of wins and championships. Yet, he made blunders like Monaco 2015, Austria 2016, Austria 2018, Monaco 2020, Monaco 2021, France 2021, Hungary 2021, Monza 2021, USA 2021. The list is really long. If Mercedes want to be honest, they should look at what they didn't do well and James' poor strategy decisions have played a big role in that. That is why I said, if he would have done well, abu dhabi result wouldn't be a blocker for winning the championship. But, hey who cares as there is an easier scapegoat and it wasn't even a Mercedes guy.

[Wouter]

Hopefully Masi will be gone by the first race, he simply isn't up to the task of doing what is a fairly simple job!

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Using the same logic, shouldn't Mercedes fire James Vowels for his incompetence? May be if he would have done his job right through the year, the situation wouldn't be what it was. But I know what the answer would be.

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I thought it was not allowed to attack anyone personally here? What you write here is very derogatory.

[KeiKo403]

Using the same logic, shouldn't Mercedes fire James Vowels for his incompetence? May be if he would have done his job right through the year, the situation wouldn't be what it was. But I know what the answer would be.

Is that the same James Vowels who has overseen the strategy for 7 out of the last 8 driver’s championships and 8 out of last 8 constructors championships? He’s so bad at his job…

1. Red Bull needed Newey to help develop the car mid season - Are we to take from that that Red Bull without Newey aren't enough.
2. Weak FIA stewarding favouring a particular driver helped
3. Poor Race Direction - Spa & Saudi with special deals!?
4. Mercedes are terrible at strategy

But despite all of that Hamilton was winning the championship 145 seconds from the end of the final race. Until 1 decision from a lone individual went against the rules and all but handed the race win and championship the other driver, at the expense of fair and legal racing.

Being able to admit how Verstappen won that championship wasn't right doesn't take away the achievement. He's the champ, he'll race with the number 1 this season, it's ok - No Worries

What a smokescreen! A Class of the field car for 7 years, leaps and bounds ahead on performance, could lap the entire field leading and moves through the field like it didn't exist even when started from last, didn't really need a strategy to really pull of wins and championships. Yet, he made blunders like Monaco 2015, Austria 2016, Austria 2018, Monaco 2020, Monaco 2021, France 2021, Hungary 2021, Monza 2021, USA 2021. The list is really long. If Mercedes want to be honest, they should look at what they didn't do well and James' poor strategy decisions have played a big role in that. That is why I said, if he would have done well, abu dhabi result wouldn't be a blocker for winning the championship. But, hey who cares as there is an easier scapegoat and it wasn't even a Mercedes guy.

Want me to list every race since 2015 in which a Newey designed car didn't win and use that as 'evidence' that he should be replaced?

A little off topic now though isn't it? But my point does still remain, Max is champion and I'm ok with this. My issue isn't that Max is Champion or that Hamilton is not. My issue is with the way that the safety car period ending was handled which had a direct impact on the race result and championship.

Refusing to acknowledge it was wrong doesn't make it right.
Acknowledging it was wrong doesn't make Verstappen any less of a Champion.

[dans79]

Hopefully Masi will be gone by the first race, he simply isn't up to the task of doing what is a fairly simple job!

Using the same logic, shouldn't Mercedes fire James Vowels for his incompetence? May be if he would have done his job right through the year, the situation wouldn't be what it was. But I know what the answer would be.

Making a mistake is completely different to knowingly violating the rules, or allowing competitors to do it for the sake of the show. Masi has a simple job to do, ensure the rules are followed, and that the races are run in safe manner. Even if you completely ignore the 2021 season, you can see where he has failed to do his job properly multiple times every season he has held the race director position!

[dans79]

Acknowledging it was wrong doesn't make Verstappen any less of a Champion.

Have a look through any major social media outlet, and you will see Many max fans aggressively attacking anyone suggesting Massi's actions were anything but kosher. My assumption, is that they can't handle the idea that Max only won the championship because of outside intervention.

[siskue2005]

Acknowledging it was wrong doesn't make Verstappen any less of a Champion.

Have a look through any major social media outlet, and you will see Many max fans aggressively attacking anyone suggesting Massi's actions were anything but kosher. My assumption, is that they can't handle the idea that Max only won the championship because of outside intervention.

I agree

[Big Tea]

Guys, we keep going down these same rabbit holes. Who did what in what race is not relevant to who did what and why in the last race.
This is all about one official not following the rules in the last race, not who made mistakes in the last 5 years.

There could be a case for that, but it is not relevant to the decision taken on 12 Dec, the last race, and it does not affect Masi or what becomes of him.

[dans79]

Guys, we keep going down these same rabbit holes. Who did what in what race is not relevant to who did what and why in the last race.
This is all about one official not following the rules in the last race, not who made mistakes in the last 5 years.

There could be a case for that, but it is not relevant to the decision taken on 12 Dec, the last race, and it does not affect Masi or what becomes of him.

Imo, if Sulayem is going to remove Masi, he is going to do it based on a history of miss steps. When a public figure Is released/fired, the person doing it, generally tries to justify it by showing a history of issues. pointing to one particular issue generally leads to backlash, or legal action.

[Chuckjr]

Acknowledging it was wrong doesn't make Verstappen any less of a Champion.

Have a look through any major social media outlet, and you will see Many max fans aggressively attacking anyone suggesting Massi's actions were anything but kosher. My assumption, is that they can't handle the idea that Max only won the championship because of outside intervention.

You mean just like Hammy fans that can’t handle the fact their boy can only win in cars that are obscenely faster than the rest of the field?

Get over yourself Dan. Seriously.