Japanese GP 2010 - Suzuka

[Giblet]

Jaime Alguersuari, STR5-01, Pos. 11th:
“We knew it would be a tough weekend for us here and it was, although I had hoped to qualify better than I did. In the race, I pushed as hard as I could. In the later part, Kobayashi was much faster than me, but that is not a reason to let him past, so I fought as hard as I could and we touched and I had to pit for a new nose. I hope my team principal is happy that I was very determined. I am happy for the team that Buemi got a point.”

A driver beside you does not equal permission to ram him twice. If I was Todst I would be annoyed. He left the door open for him, then tried to correct it through ramming.

I think he should be penalized.

[Paul]

Although Kobayashi was asking for trouble by jumping on opponents like he did, that particular manoeuvre by Alguersuari was very dirty.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Yes, Im of the same logic Giblet.
Determined in Alguersari case equals stupid. His actions were that of someone caught out at the hair pin, then frustrated at their own shortcomings, attempts to "rough up" an opponent with wheel banging. Glad Kobayashi was having none of it(probably a passenger in that sort of instance anyhow).

And paul, "asking for trouble"?
You mean attempting overtaking manouvres? I think if anything they were all legitmate and above board.
Are you suggesting that overtaking is asking for trouble or are you questioning Kobayashis role in those manouvres?

[ringo]

Since when was the objective in racing to drive slower? Lewis knew he had to push and push he did. Had he said in his head, "well I need to back off when I push since I am simply too fast for the car" he would not be in F1.

I think the objective is to win, or at least bring the car home and score as many points as possible. Granted, he did that today.

I'm not saying he should slow down. I'm saying that it looks to me that his driving style pushes the equipment to the limit (and frequently beyond, obviously).

driving style can destroy 3rd gear in a gear box?
Get off lewis' case man.
So his fingers are extra agressive with the paddles.

[Terrible3]

These gearboxes can handle Monaco and the sheer number of shifts there. With shifting being a clutchless pushnof a button and far less shifting at japan there is no sane reason to blame Lewis for his gearbox.

Actually Monaco has the 4th least number of gearshifts per lap on the F1 calendar. It has the exact same number of shifts as Japan, 46. However yes Monaco has 78 laps where as Japan is only 53. Its Singapore that's hard on the gearboxes with 72 shifts a lap.

[andrew]

http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/McLa ... ilton.html

Looks like a dog ring failure. No idea what that is, going to find out.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Ringo

What happens to a drivetrain when the wheels scrabble for traction over kerbs(Aggresive driving style if you will)?
And as far as Im aware, gearboxes arent homologated. So they may have different concepts from Monaco to that used today.

[andrew]

di Grassi's bizzare crash.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hkPRrPbMoI[/youtube]

Virgin say there was no technical failure so it looks like di Grassi just made a mistake.

[vall]

Although Kobayashi was asking for trouble by jumping on opponents like he did, that particular manoeuvre by Alguersuari was very dirty.

You obviously do not remember how the guy on your avatar drove at Spa 2008? Those are far more dangerous and unnecessary dirty moves on several oponentss, so do not complain about Kobayashi, he was brilliant today....

[zeph]

driving style can destroy 3rd gear in a gear box?

Where did I say that? A few others seem to think that I did, but I conceded the point on the previous pages (should you feel compelled to subject my posts to additional scrutiny).

[thestig84]

Although Kobayashi was asking for trouble by jumping on opponents like he did, that particular manoeuvre by Alguersuari was very dirty.

You obviously do not remember how the guy on your avatar drove at Spa 2008? Those are far more dangerous and unnecessary dirty moves on several oponentss, so do not complain about Kobayashi, he was brilliant today....

You obviously dont remember how the guy on his avatar drove at Spa 2008. The whole race sat behind Kimi then one cut chicane which have gave back the position and Kimi tagged him. Dangerous and dirty? Several opponents? Are you thinking clearly!?

[andrew]

Kimi tagged him. Dangerous and dirty? Several opponents? Are you thinking clearly!?

Don't remember that. Care to post a video?

[ringo]

Ringo

What happens to a drivetrain when the wheels scrabble for traction over kerbs(Aggresive driving style if you will)?
And as far as Im aware, gearboxes arent homologated. So they may have different concepts from Monaco to that used today.

You can't destroy a gear in that manner. The gears are constant mesh and only have 1 degee of freedom, in a rotational plane.
Jumping kerbs can only damage the box if the box itself lands on the kerb.
Scrabling for traction only happens on the launch, what's worse it doesn't change the gear movement, still 1 degree of freedom.
Putting forces through the suspension is what the car is designed for, so i don't understand why people come up with this myth that jumping kerbs destroys gears.
The dog ring simply failed on reasons related to manufacture or instalation.

It was simply an assembly error, or manufacturing fault. At least this is the theory everyone used when Alonso completely messed up his box in malaysia, even worse than Lewis. But when it's hamilton, he presses a button and destroys a gear box.

[ringo]

driving style can destroy 3rd gear in a gear box?

Where did I say that? A few others seem to think that I did, but I conceded the point on the previous pages (should you feel compelled to subject my posts to additional scrutiny).

No i'm feeling to lazy for that.
Your post simply has no substantial evidence to suggest pressing a button, that then signals a computer controled transmision, to move a ring set 1 or 2 cm in a tight tolerance almost no free play structure has anything to do with how a proffesional driver drives a car.

[andrew]

There's a post above that states the most likely cause of Hamilton's gearbox problems.....