2019 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 06 - 08

[F1NAC]

Question guys!

What is lady doing (saw on F1TV) after Q session with her laptop? She had Magnetti Marelli overalls and hooked the laptop to Sebs car? Did she monitor the ERS usage or something?

[214270]

Sainz should get banged for sure.

The question mark is over the conduct of Hulk and Stroll. I think both could argue that the roadblock they each were involved in was a result of Sainz speeding up, joining them and driving side-by-side with them.

[Restomaniac]

You are arguing intent versus affect.

The intent of the first 2 to 4 drivers, was to not be the first car in the line. The effect was blocking/preventing the cars further back from being able to make it around the track in an appropriate amount of time.

You get penalized for the effect you don't get off because of your intentions.

Thats is exactly what happens every time something is written off as a ‘racing incident’ when only 1 car has to retire or is disadvantaged.

This wasn't the race, it was qualifying.

It’s still intent Vs effect is it not?

[MtthsMlw]

Vettel under investigation for leaving the track and gaining an advantage. Time is 15:43 that should be at some point in Q2 and not his first and only Q3 lap?

Funny, i dont even recall Vettel going off track in Q2. But i do distinctively remember Albon being off track and being investigated for his Q2 lap, yet even though is time was supposedly deleted, he retained his position in the top 10? Or did he do two laps and a slower lap got deleted?

AMuS says it's down to him (Vettel) cutting some chicane at some point in Q2.

[Restomaniac]

How on Earth were Lewis, Valtteri, Daniel, and Lance for that matter, supposed to get past Carlos and Nico in this bunch?

It wasn't just that 'everyone was looking for a tow' Carlos and Nico had formed a slow rolling roadblock that nobody could pass safely.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201909 ... efde6a.jpg

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Easily. Pass on the outside with 2 wheels on the grass. Strange that nobody wanted to do that with such tight time issues.

[DChemTech]

How on Earth were Lewis, Valtteri, Daniel, and Lance for that matter, supposed to get past Carlos and Nico in this bunch?

It wasn't just that 'everyone was looking for a tow' Carlos and Nico had formed a slow rolling roadblock that nobody could pass safely.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201909 ... efde6a.jpg

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Easily. Pass on the outside with 2 wheels on the grass. Strange that nobody wanted to do that with such tight time issues.

Also, if someone clearly intended to pass, they would let him for sure. The only reason they were driving three wide most of the time, was that nobody wanted to get ahead. If someone else showed intent to get ahead, the whole issue would have resolved.

[RZS10]

So Hulkenberg is not going to get punished for cutting the corner as the stewards accepting his explanation that he "was looking too much into his mirrors".

I fail to see how that is a valid excuse.

The 'valid excuse' is that once they realised that Leclerc did the same they did not want to strip the Ferrari driver of his pole

[dans79]

Thats is exactly what happens every time something is written off as a ‘racing incident’ when only 1 car has to retire or is disadvantaged.

This wasn't the race, it was qualifying.

It’s still intent Vs effect is it not?

It's a different rule set. hence the reason why drivers get penalties for impeding other drivers during qualifying.

While during the race you can get away with impeding another driver as long as you don't run them off the road or make too many moves. Assuming the car trying to get by isn't one of the leaders, in that case you are obliged to get out of the way quickly.

[turbof1]

There are some catch-all rules applicable in this case.

[Jolle]

This last run in Q3 reminded a bit what they tried a couple of years ago, with the slowest driver being excluded every minute or so. They all had it wrong.

There is a great video up from Mercedes how many people they have around for two cars on track, that they couldn’t figure out what it took to cross the line in time is on them, not the FIA or lack of rules.

[GPR-A]

How did Carlos Sainz even qualified to start the last lap? Even before he started his lap, the lights went red!!!

EDIT: Wrong snap.

[Restomaniac]

This wasn't the race, it was qualifying.

It’s still intent Vs effect is it not?

It's a different rule set. hence the reason why drivers get penalties for impeding other drivers during qualifying.

While during the race you can get away with impeding another driver as long as you don't run them off the road or make too many moves. Assuming the car trying to get by isn't one of the leaders, in that case you are obliged to get out of the way quickly.

Sorry but impeding during a race is called racing. That has nothing to do with the whole ‘intent Vs effect’ during a race.

[F1NAC]

How did Carlos Sainz even qualified to start the last lap? Even before he started his lap, the lights went red!!!

https://i.screenshot.net/76v97s5

Mate, this picture is showing him crossing the line during his fast lap not outlap. He did cross the line while there were green lights still on

[Snatch]

They should revert for the old qualifyng format...at least for the q3 phase or all thogeter. One man, alone on the circuit do as best as he can.

[GPR-A]

How did Carlos Sainz even qualified to start the last lap? Even before he started his lap, the lights went red!!!

https://i.screenshot.net/76v97s5

Mate, this picture is showing him crossing the line during his fast lap not outlap. He did cross the line while there were green lights still on

That sucks! What am I smoking.