Pirelli 2013

[Dyanxx]

I don't remember Malaysia or Bahrain or China Marussias following Red Bull!
Pirelli introduced their tyres to teams and they all agreed with it!
Now Red Bull cries about it!
But I like this tyres because as Alonso fan I like to see him win . So do Kimi ' s fans ! To me boring was Vettel and Red Bull dominating !
I like it because better drivers will control it better, that is the reason that same drivers win all the time. I hope Ferrari and Lotus
will not allow any change !
There are other racing sports to watch if you are not satisfied!

So you think Rosberg and Hamilton struggling in the race because of their awful tyre deg is a driver issue, and if they were as good as Kimi and Vettel then it wouldn't be an issue?

What a load of nonsense, and how can you say you enjoyed yesterday's race? even with Alonso winning it was one of the worst races in a very long time, hardly any good overtakes.

[Neno]

I don't remember Malaysia or Bahrain or China Marussias following Red Bull!
Pirelli introduced their tyres to teams and they all agreed with it!
Now Red Bull cries about it!
But I like this tyres because as Alonso fan I like to see him win . So do Kimi ' s fans ! To me boring was Vettel and Red Bull dominating !
I like it because better drivers will control it better, that is the reason that same drivers win all the time. I hope Ferrari and Lotus
will not allow any change !
There are other racing sports to watch if you are not satisfied!

So you think Rosberg and Hamilton struggling in the race because of their awful tyre deg is a driver issue, and if they were as good as Kimi and Vettel then it wouldn't be an issue?

What a load of nonsense, and how can you say you enjoyed yesterday's race? even with Alonso winning it was one of the worst races in a very long time, hardly any good overtakes.

I dont know what did you expect from Barcelona? You must be really hard optimist, to think you will ever see that good race in Barcelona, even with KERS, TERS, MERS, DRS, DDRS, F-duct, then on Bridgestone, Pirelli, Sava or jnoiuhnoijhpojpewfwaefw tires.... This year Barcelona was neither worse or better then last 10 Grand prix there...

[ankitshah]

Can anyone dig up stats on punctures versus tyre delaminations this year and previous. We did have quite a few punctures per race last year. Are the tyres delaminating instead of getting punctured?

[Jonnycraig]

One last comment: Soccer games that end up 5-3 are so great only because most other games end 1-0.

To stick with football, they changed the scoring system from 2 points to 3 for a win to succesfully liven up the show and end the tactic of teams playing not to lose.

In 2013 F1 has introduced a new tyre construction to try and liven up a show that wasnt broken and inadvertedly made 'races' tedious.

[Huntresa]

Can anyone dig up stats on punctures versus tyre delaminations this year and previous. We did have quite a few punctures per race last year. Are the tyres delaminating instead of getting punctured?

Yes, alrdy stated and qouted by Paul Hembrey few pages back

[Huntresa]

Nice writeup

http://www.somersf1.blogspot.se/2013/05 ... blame.html

[bhall]

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In 2013 F1 has introduced a new tyre construction to try and liven up a show that wasnt broken and inadvertedly made 'races' tedious.

2013? This has been going on since 2011 when Pirelli entered the sport. This is nothing new.



Note that the percentage change in overtakes from last year to this year is well within the normal range for years in which Pirelli did not inauspiciously enter the sport. Nothing has changed.


(Source: cliptheapex.com)

The only explanation I have for this sudden furor over the tires is that one or two teams made serious mistakes with their cars during the offseason, and they and their fans are simply not happy about it.

Well, guess what, sports fans? Thems the breaks. Those teams can either adapt and overcome, or they can take their lumps this season and turn their attention to next year. But, they seriously need to stop complaining about easily foreseen variables. Again, this trend is nothing new.

(And Please don't mistake this for a defense of Pirelli, because it's not. I hate those tires with the sort of passion usually reserved for things that actually matter, and I hope for a return to "real racing" very soon. I even coined the word Pirellotteri - I think. Yet, I recognize that the Championship's credibility rests upon, among other things, stability of the rules within the season. So, the change to "real racing" must happen no sooner than next season. Anything else is just wrong.)

[Cam]

ell, guess what, sports fans? Thems the breaks. Those teams can either adapt and overcome, or they can take their lumps and turn their attention to next year. But, they seriously need to stop complaining about easily foreseen variables.

Please don't mistake this for a defense of Pirelli, because it's not. I hate the tires with the sort of passion usually reserved for things that actually matter, and I hope for a return to real racing next year. Yet, I recognize that the Championships' credibility rests upon stability of the rules within the season. Anything less is just wrong.

There is a principle here which has been lost in all this 'RedBull' bashing. You do not dumb down the entire field to compensate for the fact the field can't win. What message does that send? "Don't push yourself to try and win kids, once they that guy wins more than once they'll pirellize it, so it's fair". FFS

The absolute truth is we're in this situation because every friggin loophole to innovation has been sealed shut. So instead of a playing field where innovation and ingenuity allows success - it's now down to dumb luck who get's it right on the day with a bunch of stock cars. How on earth is that appealing?

Everyone needs to stop focussing on who's complaining and start resolving these issues - with regulations that allow the very best cars/drivers to FIGHT.

Oh, and for the record - yes Paul, we are already having "processional" races. That's what you call it when people don't overtake 'to save tyres' and don't fend off 'to save tyres'. Honestly, this PR drivel is amateur.

[turbof1]

Wow, this is turning out to be a more fierce discussion then ever imagined. It's even starting to create a rift at this forum, with 2 groups at opposite ends. That's not what any of us wanted?

I have took another look at the race; at second sight it looks less worse then I orginally perceived. There was some racing going on. It still does not change my opinion, but atleast smoothens it a bit.

I hope they atleast fix the delamination problem. It's not safe; any driver unlucky to drive right behind a car which has such a problem manifesting, could end up with a big chunk of rubber flinged at his helmet. That's the bare minimum that has to be done; I think everybody can agree on that.

Second, next year big changes are on the plate. It will be a very rough season and the lottery effect will be even bigger. IMO, pirelli should play that year safe and make for one year only conservative tyres.

[Pierce89]

As i said on another thread , you can't explain that you are cutting costs on one end, but wasting money on the other.
The tyres are made in turkey trucked to the uk then trucked back to the track.
After a race the old tyres are trucked back to the uk.
It is a waste of resources.
Even if they want 2-3 pitstops per race they should focus on 1-2 right now they are making a scene where it is ok for boy racers to ruin their tyres just for fun as in F1 they do also.

This is just so laughable.
Boy racers will ruin their tires for fun because f1 cars ruin their tires
Did you ever consider that ANY RACE TIRE has to be shipped to races and then disposed of?

[VIZSLA]

Wow, this is turning out to be a more fierce discussion then ever imagined. It's even starting to create a rift at this forum, with 2 groups at opposite ends. That's not what any of us wanted?

I have took another look at the race; at second sight it looks less worse then I orginally perceived. There was some racing going on. It still does not change my opinion, but atleast smoothens it a bit.

I hope they atleast fix the delamination problem. It's not safe; any driver unlucky to drive right behind a car which has such a problem manifesting, could end up with a big chunk of rubber flinged at his helmet. That's the bare minimum that has to be done; I think everybody can agree on that.

Second, next year big changes are on the plate. It will be a very rough season and the lottery effect will be even bigger. IMO, pirelli should play that year safe and make for one year only conservative tyres.

Pirelli is discovering that they've been played the fool. In exchange for the tire monopoly they agreed to artificially manage competition instead of making the fastest tires Possible. Now that the farce is being openly acknowledged they're the ones taking the heat.

[Pierce89]

People should read this:http://willthef1journo.wordpress.com/20 ... e-changer/

[bhall]

There is a principle here which has been lost in all this 'RedBull' bashing. You do not dumb down the entire field to compensate for the fact the field can't win. What message does that send? "Don't push yourself to try and win kids, once they that guy wins more than once they'll pirellize it, so it's fair". FFS

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I think that's a very Markonian take on the subject.

[krisfx]

As I recall seeing somewhere (probably here) "You wouldn't put wellies on a 100m sprinter to improve the spectacle" - Simply put, Pirelli should be looking at developing a tyre that will allow 2-3 stops when the driver is going 100% or 1-2 when the driver is taking it easy.

Surely that's not impossible?

Barcelona was pretty boring to watch and for new fans/fans that don't understand the mechanics of the tyres the race was just confusing as hell.

On the other hand, I myself agree that the one stop borefests like Bahrain 2010 are somewhere where the sport doesn't really want to end up again and believe Pirelli are okay, they just went a little too far this year, so hopefully they can bring the tyres back to a decent level. From what Paul Hembrey said, they weren't expecting the levels of downforce that people are producing this year and that's what's causing the issues?


Apologies if repost/reinforcement of something already debated, I don't have time to trawl through the thread this morning.

[Dragonfly]

People should read this:http://willthef1journo.wordpress.com/20 ... e-changer/

Yes, but my advice is to not take a single word there seriously.