2019 Bahrain Grand Prix - Sakhir, March 29 - 31

[komninosm]

as i told once .... no way ... and if you would use google it shows you WHY, refuelling is bad for F1
just read this article and look at the graphic a bit below

https://www.motorlat.com/notas/f1/5752/ ... eling-back

... overtaking went down drasticly as they introduced refueling and went up as they banned refuelling, secondly it's more expensive, so smaller teams are really going to struggle with they're money, third, it's dangerous for EVERYBODY in the pit.

these points i did out of my head and there are several other reasons WHY NOT to bring back refueling

the only thing that could make F1 interesting again if they do something about the tyres and even that will not bring the effect everybody hopes for....

You're (that article is) wrong for a couple of reasons..............

I am not gonna start a discussion with you about it because not only I or this article says its wrong.... ask ANY F1 expert..... they will all tell you NO REFUELING ever again .....

If you don't want to start a discussion about it, why did you reply again?
Also, quoting like that and editing what I said is considered bad form here. Next time you do it I will report you.
Finally, it depends on what you mean by F1 expert
I don't see any good arguments against it so far in any thread we've analyzed it in.
Maybe you want to start a new one and try?

[LM10]

It's a shame that Hulk couldn't get into Q2 and then in Q3. We couldn't see what that Renault could have done. He was definitely the better driver of the two from Renault team this weekend. Ric's struggles are quite strange.

Hulk told that the car was different than in practice. It was worse to drive. He would have wished the car he had in FP.

Renault showed quite a pace. A pity they lost it when it mattered.

[Capharol]

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so now you can report me ... good luck....(chiildish behaviour & and you earned yourself a Ignore) ... bye bye

[Jambier]

McLaren and Haas pretty impressive!

correction Mclaren and LAST YEAR FERRARI (HAAS) are pretty impressive!

I think HUL could have been P6 in front of them
RIC is very slow and still P10

On this engine track we can see that the Renault is now close to the top engine

[f1316]

Leclerc Pole Lap
https://streamable.com/3xl29
https://streamable.com/3xl29

sainz q3 1.28.813 P7
V12 is back bois
https://streamable.com/zv4z0

vettel q3 lap 1.28.160 P2
https://streamable.com/1pvtm
https://streamable.com/1pvtm

verstappen q3 1.28.752 P5
https://streamable.com/nnbxk
https://streamable.com/nnbxk

Hamilton q3 first lap PB 1.28.190 P3
https://streamable.com/64u5q
https://streamable.com/64u5q

Not gonna lie, this s**t took way too long to record, edit and upload. don't get used to it

Great stuff - and yeah, I thought the same when watching the tv: how come the Renault sounds so good in the McLaren? Maybe it also sounds good in the works car but I noticed it in the Macca.

Very different - and much better - sounding than all other engines.

[Harvester]

Can somebody tell me where Leclerc gained time on Vettel?

I would also like to see that. Also it would be interesting to see where mercedes was losing time. So it would be great if someone can post the data.

[Scorpaguy]

"...Renault sounds so good in the McLaren..."

It does sound good...like a proper F1 car.

Last year the Williams sounded great...hopefully such is not analogous

[langedweil]

Great stuff - and yeah, I thought the same when watching the tv: how come the Renault sounds so good in the McLaren? Maybe it also sounds good in the works car but I noticed it in the Macca.

Very different - and much better - sounding than all other engines.

That’s artificially done by a mic.
It’s mainly because in this hybrid era the engines don’t hit the 19.000/20.000 rpm; feels a bit sorry that because they sound like a sowing machine, the sound is beefed/pitched up to better it ..

[SmallSoldier]

Improvement from 2018 to 2019 for the teams based on their Ultimate Pace each (sum of best sectors in Qualifying during those years)... Alfa and Mclaren the ones that improved the most... RBH trailing even Williams at Bahrein.

Data from Lightsoutblog




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[Sieper]

They are all having huge setup issues, and drivers randomly hit or miss the sweet spot in particular sessions. Let's not forget that the way the front wing works has been radically changed and with it car balance, ride heights, etc. And so far the teams had Australia with no corners and Bahrain with practice at different temperatures than Q and race to figure it out.
They are all guessing how long it takes to warm up the tires, how long tires will last in the race and how hard tires can be pushed.
I think cars will stop being 1 second out of position from now on.
But for this weekend, awesome chaos with parachute rear wings and kilometers of DRS zones, with the top teams roughly on inverse race pace order.

Good post, I hadn’t looked at it this way (didn’t understand it yet) But this is likely a very true insight.

[drunkf1fan]

Merc was losing 2-3 tenths on the straight(s) in S1.

Not on straights but in the first sector....mostly to do with switching on this increadibly narrow operating range pirelli tyres

C3 tires is the same as the soft tire from 2018. And they have the exact same temperature range of 105-135 C.

2018 tires temperature range
https://i.redd.it/5d6038vbnan01.jpg

2019 tires temperature range (from https://press.pirelli.com/whats-new-wit ... a-1-tyres/)
https://dsh.re/56992

The difference is in the tire blankets and drop in downforce which makes it harder to put temperature in the tires.

Tire blankets aren't at all the difference, at all. Ferrari was the same gap behind Merc in Australia last year and Merc are the same gap(give or take a little) behind Ferrari in Bahrain. Nothing has changed on that front. Last year, blistering in Austria for anyone not able to cruise out of the pits or pushing marginally harder. Ham due to strategy couldn't cruise out of pits but had to push against someone with slow tire warm up and he had fuel problems so losing power and pushing harder on the tires = blistering. Ricciardo with less pace pushed a little harder to keep up with Verstappen/ahead of Kimi, blistered tires and pitted.

Mexico, literally Red bull were the only car to get in the window in the race, Ferrari were close but clearly worse, Merc weren't close and the rest of the field had a disaster.

Barcelona, baku and graining, monaco and graining. Tires were already a massive problem last year. The 'working range' is just their specification, they clearly perform extremely differently across that working range and as Horner eluded to the actual window they need to hit to get good performance and not get blistering or graining (depending on if that track means they struggle to stay above or below it) in the race is extremely small.

If these tires had such a real wide range then both last year and this year the tires wouldn't be the biggest differentiator in performance. Getting them in the window and one team being able to get the same performance for 5 more laps than another team in a race is great, that's what the 2014-2016 tires gave us. Last year's tires were a disaster and they continue this season. At some tracks teams are losing or gaining well over a second due to not being able to get the tire properly in the window.

Now a team making a car which is softer on tires and makes them work better in more tracks is great and to be commended, but tires that literally 80% of the teams can't make work in Mexico, in which pretty much 100% of cars had bad graining and crap grip in Monaco, who all had poor performance in baku, which overheated and caused blisters exceptionally quickly at too many tracks. The tires need a true working window such that while there are better and worse races for teams there aren't insanely good and absolute disaster races for every team multiple times.

The tires weren't fit for duty last year and due to the one real change they've made I think they'll be worse this year, maybe less races with blistering but more races with graining.

[drunkf1fan]

Does anybody know why Kvyat didn't have a 2nd run in Q2? He looked fast and could have been in Q3. Congrats to LeClerc, top performance. Something was wrong with Seb's car though, he seemed pretty cautious (maybe because it was his only run). Fingers crossed for an amazing race tomorrow.

Actually, when I looked at the replays Grosjean was indeed in the way of Norris. Seems pretty similar to Vettel and Sainz in Austria last year. Sorry for arguing about it

I couldn't see anyone cover it. TR screwed up massively and sent him out on the used set of soft tires... so his run was over before it started. He did an outlap, saw they were used, didn't even bother doing a time I think and it was too late to change tires and go back out. With track evolution and most people getting faster and his general performance up to this qualifying he may well have gotten into Q3 with a second run in Q2.

[zibby43]

Merc was losing 2-3 tenths on the straight(s) in S1.

Not on straights but in the first sector....mostly to do with switching on this increadibly narrow operating range pirelli tyres

"In cornering performance there is not one corner that we don't gain and we are losing almost 0.5s on the straights here," Mercedes team boss Toto Wolff explained. "As you know, straight-line speed is always a combination of power and drag, and that's why we need to try to understand what happened."

"We have just seen that we have been outperformed on every single straight line today -- massively outperformed. But first of all you need to take yourself by the nose and ask if you are missing something in the way we are calculating downforce and drag levels. But it's always about looking at the complete picture. What I can say is we haven't done anything different [from Australia]."

http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/263 ... -straights

The increased downforce may help them with the tires over a course of a race distance.

[zibby43]

Merc was losing 2-3 tenths on the straight(s) in S1.

Ferrari seems to have retained it's inherent characteristic (as observed from winter testing) of putting heat quickly into the tyres on one of the most abrasive circuit on the calendar, where the down force demands are also quite lower, on a mid range compound (C3), in lowering temperatures of the night! That explains the ability to perform better in S1, compared to Merc, who seems to have moved away from such behavior to the opposite end where they can't put heat into tyres quickly enough, especially on the mid range compound. Could things have been different on softer compounds?

Nevertheless, we would see how this trend goes as the season moves forward.

The tires are tricky, for sure, but it's looking like Mercedes actually outperformed Ferrari in almost every corner (if not all corners). However, Mercedes lost roughly half of a second combined on all the straights.

Possible reasons: 1) Too much drag from either cooling or wing levels; 2) PU optimization.

Wolff said it was possible that Mercedes made an error when performing their downforce/drag calculations. It's an interesting nugget because it truly seems like Wolff was both 1) surprised by and 2) disappointed in the results of qualifying today. Like he was expecting, at the minimum, a closer battle and maybe at least 1 car on the front row.

[Schuttelberg]

What is the point of the hard? Maybe that tire could work for an adventurous early undercut since passing is possible? If it is a one stop, maybe the hard will have a little more life left at the end of the race? Start on hards go late into the race then a mad dash on softs?

I personally am absolutely fed up of these one stop races. Pirelli is the worst thing to have happened to F1.

I also think they should just let the teams decide what compounds to use so that there are some strategy variations. The rules almost dictate what strategy teams must use!

When the compounds were softer and it was too unpredictable the outcomes when Pirelli started in F1 they had lots of complaints too, so it is the overall F1 who has dictated the tyre rules I would say, all to blame not only Pirelli

Talking about tyres and not the rubbish Pirelli had made from 2010-13. I have seen innumerable races from Goodyear and Bridgestone where 2 stop races were a norm without drivers having to drive to deltas.

Pirelli's incompetence is most magnified when it's wet. Whiting, and may that man rest in peace but the reason he had to deploy the SC when it was wet was because the tyres couldn't dissipate enough water. It might surprise you, but we have watched a multi million dollar sport for the past 7-8 years with very average suppliers and quality. Pirelli just does not cut the mustard.

The first step in the 2021 regs must be to look for a new tyre manufacturer.