Monaco GP 2010 - Monte Carlo

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Mercedes have appealed the decision, so everybody can calm down...for the time being.

Bloody hell I would. This is ridiculous. 40.13 doesn't apply because the SC wasn't deployed when the race ended. Had the safety car crossed the start/finish line with the field then fair enough, or safety car lights were still applied.

I suspect this is some arse covering because race control wrongly lifted the safety car conditions on the last lap and didn't know their own rules.

Safety car never crosses the finish line on the last lap! Read the regulations! The SC much get in in the last lap and all the cars finish without overtaking.....

Vall the lights went off to indicate the race would restart.
This is very evident by the green flags and lights that were flashing to indicate race conditions.
Ferrari moan, Ferrari get. This is pure politiking by Scuderia and it stinks of BS

[spinmastermic]

[feynman]

Tell you what, take Lewis out the Mclaren and whack him in a Lotus or Virgin. Because if he questions McLaren, he isnt worthy to drive their bloody car either.
Talented as he is, he is also tempestuous beyond doubt. Anyone defending him by saying he isnt is just a blinded fan boy.
...

But why don't you suggest sending Andy, Jakob and Phil to Virgin? Who's currently falling down on the job? As race-engineers they are ultimately front-line responsible for burning hundreds of millions of dollars of other people's money as the circus travels, and some people are questioning if they can cut it. McLaren is bigger than Lewis, it's also bigger than it's current engineers.

"worthy to driver their bloody car" ... that's two no-downforce shitboxes in a row the rudderless McLaren matrix has come up with. I wonder what Fry has left them with for next year. It's getting pretty close to being not really good enough.

McLaren have always been a shambles when the situation required fast, smart, dynamic thinking ... not as bad as the Keysone Kop comedy of errors we used to have to endure anytime it rained, but still nowhere near premier league. Hockenheim 08, tapping the telemtry fuel-gauge at Valencia on the last corner before the pits instead of getting the tyres out, Monza fuel strategy that their own computer said was second best, even getting past Glock in the rain, not great.

It is about their attitude to their drivers, whether they value the contribution that they can make as indivisuals, or whether they regard them, as rigid McLaren management currently seem to, as a handy piece of ballast that fits in the cockpit.

If the pitwall was calling it right, 12 foot tall race-engineers, striding up and down the paddock with an S on their chest and capes flapping, then Lewis complaining would be absolutley bang out of order ... but if they have a proven track record of consistently conspiring to make things unnecessarily difficult through poor decision making, then they need to shape up, and Lewis letting them know this, is not a problem.

That big gap in the WCC trophy room is there for a reason. The pitwall needs their collective heads banged together. Lewis shouting down the blower at them might be the start of that wake-up call. We'll see.

[Skinn3r55]

Thankfully Merc are appealing the decision and hopefully common sence will prevail. [-o<

Then again...everyone has a different understanding of what common sense is.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Had the saftey car not switched its lights off, and the lights remained yellow, a penalty is due.
Both these incidents did not occur. The SC turned its lights off coming out the tunnel indicating that a race restart would happen once it was in pit lane.

EVERY DRIVER GUNNED THE PEDAL! Even Alonso fishtailing like a mo-fo!
In spirit of racing Schumacher must be allowed to keep 6th.

And in spirit of racing Alonso, Domenicali and Ferrari must take it on the bloody chin!

[ggajic]

Picture says it all

[ggajic]

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Tell you what, take Lewis out the Mclaren and whack him in a Lotus or Virgin. Because if he questions McLaren, he isnt worthy to drive their bloody car either.
Talented as he is, he is also tempestuous beyond doubt. Anyone defending him by saying he isnt is just a blinded fan boy.
...

But why don't you suggest sending Andy, Jakob and Phil to Virgin? Who's currently falling down on the job? As race-engineers they are ultimately front-line responsible for burning hundreds of millions of dollars of other people's money as the circus travels, and some people are questioning if they can cut it. McLaren is bigger than Lewis, it's also bigger than it's current engineers.

"worthy to driver their bloody car" ... that's two no-downforce shitboxes in a row the rudderless McLaren matrix has come up with. I wonder what Fry has left them with for next year. It's getting pretty close to being not really good enough.

McLaren have always been a shambles when the situation required fast, smart, dynamic thinking ... not as bad as the Keysone Kop comedy of errors we used to have to endure anytime it rained, but still nowhere near premier league. Hockenheim 08, tapping the telemtry fuel-gauge at Valencia on the last corner before the pits instead of getting the tyres out, Monza fuel strategy that their own computer said was second best, even getting past Glock in the rain, not great.

It is about their attitude to their drivers, whether they value the contribution that they can make as indivisuals, or whether they regard them, as rigid McLaren management currently seem to, as a handy piece of ballast that fits in the cockpit.

If the pitwall was calling it right, 12 foot tall race-engineers, striding up and down the paddock with an S on their chest and capes flapping, then Lewis complaining would be absolutley bang out of order ... but if they have a proven track record of consistently conspiring to make things unnecessarily difficult through poor decision making, then they need to shape up, and Lewis letting them know this, is not a problem.

That big gap in the WCC trophy room is there for a reason. The pitwall needs their collective heads banged together. Lewis shouting down the blower at them might be the start of that wake-up call. We'll see.

When has Button reacted like this? When did Mika Hakkinen react like this?
When did Montoya( a bonafide hot head) question his own team.

You mention he is in a race, how can every other driver deliver positive feedback yet evertime I hear hamilton I cringe.
Last year he actively sought to "turn down the engine" because he was in last place. Did you hear Alonso say that?
Hamilton got a straight into a peachy car with a peachy team. He needs to remember other teams hear his BS too. Brilliant driver. Small boy mentality.

[komninosm]

I dislike Ferrari and Schumacher and Alonso so I am objective according to some people's standards.
Some people suggested giving a place back instead of a drive through penalty. Is there a rule for that kind of penalty? There's been many cases in the past that a drive through seemed too harsh for, but there doesn't seem to be an alternative in the rules. Is there?
Was the track really clear at the final lap? They seemed to have trouble removing the second crashed car up to the second to last lap and what about clearing the debris? The green flags were a mistake then probably.
One final thing. Was Schumacher allowed to close up to Alonso so much before the SC line? I vaguely recall rules about keeping a distance to the car in front of you. When Schumacher crossed the white line, his front wing was at Alonso's wheel level. But then again that is not the justification the Stewards gave. They didn't say he started his passing manoeuvre too early. They said passing was not allowed at all 4(0.13). Then the green flags were a mistake too, right? Who gets penalised for those?

[aral]

The final lap started with the safety car lights flashing. That means that that particular lap must have no passing. The lights were turned off near the end of the lap, indicating that the racing could begin, AFTER the start/finish line. Alonso came out of the last corner, crossed up, as he suddenly found Schumacher beside him, and he had to get on the gas.
Damon and the stewards made a decision in accordance with the rules, and this decision should be accepted. After all, last year, we were calling for an ex driver to be on the panel, and now that one is, there are howls of favouritism, revenge, etc.
In soccer, the players and managers always blame the referee, but his decision is final. So should the decision of the experienced stewards.

[zenithbeach]

Nobody seems to get the fact he had been driving for nearly an hour flat out. He would have been full of adrenaline. Its all very well to sit there watching a race saying "tut tut", but come on! Once your heart beat goes above 100 common sense goes out the window. He should be praised for not cursing his head off.

are you serious? full of adrenaline? what about vettel being told to slow down at the last race? did he throw a fit at his team like a little school girl? no, because hes one of the professional drivers.

seems to me hamilton is a spoilt little brat, i remember him mouthin off his team to even in interviews when his car wasnt that great. so ungrateful! this has nothing to do with adrenaline. hes just a douche with a huge ego.

[andrew]

EVERY DRIVER GUNNED THE PEDAL!

That's a good point. That means that they were all racing and as such breaking the no racing rule on the final lap once the pace car has gone in. Surely penalties should be dished out right down the field?

[spinmastermic]

When has Button reacted like this? When did Mika Hakkinen react like this?
When did Montoya( a bonafide hot head) question his own team.

You mention he is in a race, how can every other driver deliver positive feedback yet evertime I hear hamilton I cringe.
Last year he actively sought to "turn down the engine" because he was in last place. Did you hear Alonso say that?
Hamilton got a straight into a peachy car with a peachy team. He needs to remember other teams hear his BS too. Brilliant driver. Small boy mentality.[/quote]


Nobody seems to get the fact he had been driving for nearly an hour flat out. He would have been full of adrenaline. Its all very well to sit there watching a race saying "tut tut", but come on! Once your heart beat goes above 100 common sense goes out the window. He should be praised for not cursing his head off.

[siskue2005]

http://fialive.fiacommunications.com/en ... ent-37.pdf

[zenithbeach]

http://fialive.fiacommunications.com/en ... ent-37.pdf

there were only 4 stewarts? LOL