There should be major upgrade coming after next GP, which will determine the next year trajectory.
What is that metric?quincalla wrote: ↑26 Aug 2024, 20:21Updated the graph. It was the worst race of the season by this metric.
https://i.imgur.com/jLkDHAG.png
I don't think so, they said the same at the end of 23 and it showed. I don't think they even know what to do.collindsilva wrote: ↑27 Aug 2024, 14:34There should be major upgrade coming after next GP, which will determine the next year trajectory.
They are taking their time in testing the upgrades before introducing to avoid the previous failures.
That just sounds like the journalist is getting something wrong. Sounds like when my father inlaw asks me a question about computers, I explain it, then I hear him explaining it to someone else and it's all wrong ....It's illegal to copy parts, the way you need to copy them, to make the "COPIED" part work and McLaren isn't just gonna volunteer their car to be laser scanned. You copy ideas but that still means putting them in the wind tunnel to get them to work with your car.Rikrikrik wrote: ↑27 Aug 2024, 16:36Carlos Miquel, the spanish journalist said . AM is divided in two teams again, like last year ( where factory team had an ideias to development and the track team had other ideias) but now, some people would like develope their own ideias and the other side would like copy the other teams, specially mclaren , and Alonso's "spying" the mclaren's floor was a message to the team saying " i prefer u copy the other cars".
Thats because the people at the top (Fallows in this case) have to have a clear technical vision for others to follow and buy into. If the people leading seem directionless, everyone tries to push their own ideas. It has to be a technical lead too. Someone like Krack cant do it. And quality always matters more over quantity when your trying to push the limit of performance.KimiRai wrote: ↑28 Aug 2024, 04:24When this team was small & had fewer resources it worked much more efficiently and even had better results than today after the massive hiring campaign and infrastructure, which should be increasing the potential ceiling but it is currently not being as effective in getting close to it. It's time to rename the team to Force India
All this talk of opposing sides in the team about what needs to be done that we've heard for a while... Maybe this is when you need someone whose qualities give him the bird's eye view on the whole operation that the two sides lack and steer the ship on the right course. A multi-faceted genius perhaps...
Deja vucollindsilva wrote: ↑27 Aug 2024, 14:34There should be major upgrade coming after next GP, which will determine the next year trajectory.
They are taking their time in testing the upgrades before introducing to avoid the previous failures.
Percentual gap in race pace from the fastest car to the fastest Aston. And I tried to match strategies where it made sense/was possible, so for example Belgium is ALO vs RUS because both one-stopped, even though RUS wasn't the fastest on average.diffuser wrote: ↑27 Aug 2024, 14:36What is that metric?quincalla wrote: ↑26 Aug 2024, 20:21Updated the graph. It was the worst race of the season by this metric.
https://i.imgur.com/jLkDHAG.png
Miquel had hardly anything wrong regarding AMR...diffuser wrote: ↑28 Aug 2024, 00:23That just sounds like the journalist is getting something wrong. Sounds like when my father inlaw asks me a question about computers, I explain it, then I hear him explaining it to someone else and it's all wrong ....It's illegal to copy parts, the way you need to copy them, to make the "COPIED" part work and McLaren isn't just gonna volunteer their car to be laser scanned. You copy ideas but that still means putting them in the wind tunnel to get them to work with your car.Rikrikrik wrote: ↑27 Aug 2024, 16:36Carlos Miquel, the spanish journalist said . AM is divided in two teams again, like last year ( where factory team had an ideias to development and the track team had other ideias) but now, some people would like develope their own ideias and the other side would like copy the other teams, specially mclaren , and Alonso's "spying" the mclaren's floor was a message to the team saying " i prefer u copy the other cars".
The track team don't develop, they can say whatever they want but they can't make parts. The track teams opinion matters to as point. In the end the track team telling the factory how to do things is equivalent to me telling the God how the world should be.
It is my opinion that, for the most part, the PHDs are in the factory and all the guys not good enough to be in the factor are part of the race team.
I'm just saying what it sounds like. Maybe he's just over dramatasizing it. Literally, the race team have maybe a 5% - 10% input on car design decisions. Really, they have what the factory wants to give them. The factory don't have to listen to them at all. So when they say they are in 2 groups, we'll the factory does whatever it wants. The race team is just noise. No doudt, the lack of success is driving that decision and that's pretty normal too in this situation.-wkst- wrote: ↑28 Aug 2024, 14:14Miquel had hardly anything wrong regarding AMR...diffuser wrote: ↑28 Aug 2024, 00:23That just sounds like the journalist is getting something wrong. Sounds like when my father inlaw asks me a question about computers, I explain it, then I hear him explaining it to someone else and it's all wrong ....It's illegal to copy parts, the way you need to copy them, to make the "COPIED" part work and McLaren isn't just gonna volunteer their car to be laser scanned. You copy ideas but that still means putting them in the wind tunnel to get them to work with your car.Rikrikrik wrote: ↑27 Aug 2024, 16:36Carlos Miquel, the spanish journalist said . AM is divided in two teams again, like last year ( where factory team had an ideias to development and the track team had other ideias) but now, some people would like develope their own ideias and the other side would like copy the other teams, specially mclaren , and Alonso's "spying" the mclaren's floor was a message to the team saying " i prefer u copy the other cars".
The track team don't develop, they can say whatever they want but they can't make parts. The track teams opinion matters to as point. In the end the track team telling the factory how to do things is equivalent to me telling the God how the world should be.
It is my opinion that, for the most part, the PHDs are in the factory and all the guys not good enough to be in the factor are part of the race team.
What he wants to express is that the team in the factory is most likely once again searching for the "perfect wind tunnel and CFD data" and how low the car should be driven in theory with which set up and the team at the track on the other side says "sorry, but in reality this reight height or this set up don't work". Schmidt from AMuS reported nearly identical stories from AMR engineers, who talked with him last year...