Contrary to his history, no it doesn't make him a cheater. But given how the world, and he himself, knows what he does, he IS a cheater. He knew, Ross Brawn knew, a Nico knew exactly what was going on and since they couldn't pass Alonso fair and square they tried to exploit a situation no one else did and look what happened. Michael will always be a cheater, that isn't my opinion, that's a stone cold fact.Predator wrote:So you're the big man calling all of us that disagree with your opinion ''children.''Ray wrote:Schumacher is a damn cheat. If it was okay to overtake after the SC came in, why was he the only one that did it? Answer, he's a dirty goddamn cheat that cannot win in a straight fight. Full stop. Nothing anyone says will change that. He knows damn well why the safety car gets out of the way on the last lap, it says in the rules why the safety car goes in and what should happen afterwards. You people are so goddamn biased and the intelligence around here is dropping. I can see why Manchild left, you people are children. None of you have a shred of common sense, and none of you can make an objective observation.
Alonso fell asleep. Rosberg tried to pass him as well. Just because it was Schumacher does not make him a cheater.
As far as im aware the distance was perfectly legal.komninosm wrote:Yeah, I'd like to know too.zenithbeach wrote:can somebody please tell me why massa wasnt investigated for crossing that yellow line when he left the pit? i thought that wasnt allowed?
Also I'd like answers to the following:
Some people suggested giving a place back instead of a drive through penalty. Is there a rule for that kind of penalty? There's been many cases in the past that a drive through seemed too harsh for, but there doesn't seem to be an alternative in the rules. Is there?
Was the track really clear at the final lap? They seemed to have trouble removing the second crashed car up to the second to last lap and what about clearing the debris? The green flags were a mistake then probably.
One final thing. Was Schumacher allowed to close up to Alonso so much before the SC line? I vaguely recall rules about keeping a distance to the car in front of you. When Schumacher crossed the white line, his front wing was at Alonso's wheel level. But then again that is not the justification the Stewards gave. They didn't say he started his passing manoeuvre too early. They said passing was not allowed at all (40.13). Then the green flags were a mistake too, right? Who gets penalised for those?
zenithbeach wrote:can somebody please tell me why massa wasnt investigated for crossing that yellow line when he left the pit? i thought that wasnt allowed?
lolandrew wrote:Thanks!zenithbeach wrote:
i think it was buemi
I agree that Massa didn't get much pressure, but I merely copied the other poster's words to use against him. He used this pressure to claim Massa had a fine drive. His comments seemed biased and contradictory to me. Ham's race was just as inspired as Massa's. Probably more, cause of problems and an earlier pitstop to stave off Alonso and then to keep the Brawns behind too after their pits.andrew wrote:Wouldn't say that he pressured Massa. There was for the most part a decent gap so very little pressure. In fact Massa was posting faster lap timesskomninosm wrote:Calling Hamilton "The Loss" is pure trolling. Makes you look stupid. Also how can Hamilton have driven an uninspired race when he frequently pressured Massa, who had a faster car for Monaco circuit? Also Ham had a few car problems too (brakes). And let's not forget it's Monaco. EVERYONE'S race can be called uninspired.donskar wrote: Massa -- a very fine drive, under frequent pressure from "The Loss."
Hamilton -- possibly a key race for him. "The Loss" drove an uninspired race, and was rightfully criticized by the Speed TV guys for his constant public bitching. He is a great driver, but may be seriously flawed.
Well except maybe Alonso's, but his strategy was nothing brilliant. A lot of people in this thread (including myself) suggested a pit stop very early for Alonso.
Does anyone know what the reason for hamiltons brake problems? Was it his driving or was it a mechanical problem?
WOW, the stewards should definatly have been talking BOUT THIS RATHER than the silly mix up at the end.Chandhok also revealed that he dragged Barrichello's errant steering wheel all the way down to the tunnel section of the track.
"It got lodged underneath the car, so I could feel it scraping all the way through Mirabeau. Then the noise stopped and one of the marshals reported back that it fell out of my car in the tunnel. But then Bruno ran over it – so that steering wheel has been well and truly Hispania'd!"
Are you sure? I vaguely recall the rule being that behind SC you have to leave some room to the car in front, and technically that rule is still on until the race starts again and the race starts after you pass the white SC line.JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:As far as im aware the distance was perfectly legal.
Schumachers front axle was behind Alonso's rear axle= okay by the rules
Haha, yep that's what happens when their driver is involved. A couple races gone, you would think the penalty pushers wouldn't bat an eye at the 20s penalty.Ray wrote:Schumacher is a damn cheat. If it was okay to overtake after the SC came in, why was he the only one that did it? Answer, he's a dirty goddamn cheat that cannot win in a straight fight. Full stop. Nothing anyone says will change that. He knows damn well why the safety car gets out of the way on the last lap, it says in the rules why the safety car goes in and what should happen afterwards. You people are so goddamn biased and the intelligence around here is dropping. I can see why Manchild left, you people are children. None of you have a shred of common sense, and none of you can make an objective observation.
andartop wrote:
Because in 2010 it seems drivers are allowed to go wild to their hearts' content on their way into the pits, while at the pit lane, and on the way out!
Being so concerned about Massa touching that yellow line, which did not have any effect whatsoever to anyone's race, and not discussing at all Rubens' behaviour (see my earlier post) seems a bit worrying to me...
andartop wrote:zenithbeach wrote:can somebody please tell me why massa wasnt investigated for crossing that yellow line when he left the pit? i thought that wasnt allowed?
Because in 2010 it seems drivers are allowed to go wild to their hearts' content on their way into the pits, while at the pit lane, and on the way out!
Being so concerned about Massa touching that yellow line, which did not have any effect whatsoever to anyone's race, and not discussing at all Rubens' behaviour (see my earlier post) seems a bit worrying to me...
Is Rubens not under investigation at all?andartop wrote:zenithbeach wrote:can somebody please tell me why massa wasnt investigated for crossing that yellow line when he left the pit? i thought that wasnt allowed?
Because in 2010 it seems drivers are allowed to go wild to their hearts' content on their way into the pits, while at the pit lane, and on the way out!
Being so concerned about Massa touching that yellow line, which did not have any effect whatsoever to anyone's race, and not discussing at all Rubens' behaviour (see my earlier post) seems a bit worrying to me...