2016 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, Fri 01 – Sun 03 Jul 2016

[foxmulder_ms]

This penalty is nothing. It is just stewards covering their arses.. BUT, it still puts it into the record that it was Rosberg's fault officially. So, we will see what Mercedes will do...

[jknights]

Decisions regarding Rosberg.

Fact: The driver continued on the track with a damaged car spreading debris and with the
front wing detached
Offence: Breach of Article 12.1.1 h) of the FIA International Sporting Code
Decision: Reprimand
This is the driver's 1st reprimand of the current season.
Reason: Article 22.11 of the Formula One Sporting Regulations requires a driver with serious
mechanical difficulties to leave the track as soon as it is safe to do so.  We do note the
extenuating circumstances and the fact that the driver of Car 6 (ROS) did slow down
significantly and attempted to mitigate the risk to other drivers and cars.

Fact: Causing a collision with car 44 in turn 2.
Offence: Involved in an incident as defined by Article 38.1 of the FIA Formula One Sporting
Regulations.
Decision: 10 Second Time Penalty imposed after the race in accordance with Article 38.3 (10
seconds added to elapsed race time)
(2 penalty points awarded, 2 points total for the 12 month period).
Reason: Having taken note of the extensive evidence given by both drivers and the video and
telemetry data, it was apparent that Car 44 (HAM) was in front of Car 6 (ROS) – i.e.
more than fully alongside – and that the driver of Car 44 could have clearly made the
turn (T2) on the track, if not for the resultant collision.  Car 6 did not allow Car 44
“racing room” and hence the driver of Car 6 was responsible for the collision

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[GrizzleBoy]

Imo Rosberg did exactly the same thing as Hamilton did to him in Canada.
Except Hamilton chose not to go wide, where Rosberg did (in Canada) that is how i see it.
The white line is not a wall, he had 2 choices, go wide or turn in.

In this case Rosberg is the loser in this all, because it backfired on his a**.
I wonder what would happen now if Hamilton choses to do a Canada or Austin again on Rosberg ....

In Canada, Lewis was ahead, made the corner (aka passed the apex) and squeezed on corner exit, which is legal to do. Youll see drivers using that move all throughout a grand prix.

In Austria, Ros was behind, made no attempt to actually make the turn and attempted to "squeeze" a car in front of him by literally blocking him to make him go straight on. In the middle of a corner.

Since Ros was the car BEHIND, his actions led to him crashing into the car AHEAD of him.

He wasn't the car ahead that was squeezing, he was the car behind that divebombed the car ahead off the road.

Crucial difference to probably anything Lewis has done vs Nico in recent memory.

Shouting your opinion a couple of times, will not change my opinion ...
I see it differently.

How can you "see" a car being ahead and squeezing on corner exit, which is legal as per the regs, hence no penalty, and a car being behind, divebombing into the side of another, which is illegal as per the regs, hence penalty, as the same thing?

You may have your opinion for sure, but you're degrading the strength of it when you willfully base it on lack of fact.

The differences in circumstances I pointed out aren't opinions, theyre factual accurances that happened in real life. We all watched them on our televisions. As did the stewards.

Hence penalties for Ros in Austria an non for Ham in Canada.

[RZS10]

how about the official f1 site http://www.formula1.com/en/latest/headl ... clash.html

i can't find the actual steward report ...

interesting: https://www.facebook.com/nicorosberg/vi ... 771789874/

No more "brake issues" or anything else just "i drove straight deliberately and was surprised that lewis tried to take the corner"

[Sonador]

In Canada, Lewis was ahead, made the corner (aka passed the apex) and squeezed on corner exit, which is legal to do. Youll see drivers using that move all throughout a grand prix.

In Austria, Ros was behind, made no attempt to actually make the turn and attempted to "squeeze" a car in front of him by literally blocking him to make him go straight on. In the middle of a corner.

Since Ros was the car BEHIND, his actions led to him crashing into the car AHEAD of him.

He wasn't the car ahead that was squeezing, he was the car behind that divebombed the car ahead off the road.

Crucial difference to probably anything Lewis has done vs Nico in recent memory.

Shouting your opinion a couple of times, will not change my opinion ...
I see it differently.

How can you "see" a car being ahead and squeezing on corner exit, which is legal as per the regs, hence no penalty, and a car being behind, divebombing into the side of another, which is illegal as per the regs, hence penalty, as the same thing?

You may have your opinion for sure, but you're degrading the strength of it when you willfully base it on lack of fact.

The differences in circumstances I pointed out aren't opinions, theyre factual accurances that happened in real life. We all watched them on our televisions. As did the stewards.

Hence penalties for Ros in Austria an non for Ham in Canada.

I do not disagree with the facts, my opinion is just different in the way that is see the incidents as the same.
Albeit with different outcomes.

Hence my comment, what if Hamilton ties to "squeeze" Rosbeg again comment.
So i agree with the facts, not with you peception of what happened

[GrizzleBoy]

Shouting your opinion a couple of times, will not change my opinion ...
I see it differently.

How can you "see" a car being ahead and squeezing on corner exit, which is legal as per the regs, hence no penalty, and a car being behind, divebombing into the side of another, which is illegal as per the regs, hence penalty, as the same thing?

You may have your opinion for sure, but you're degrading the strength of it when you willfully base it on lack of fact.

The differences in circumstances I pointed out aren't opinions, theyre factual accurances that happened in real life. We all watched them on our televisions. As did the stewards.

Hence penalties for Ros in Austria an non for Ham in Canada.

I do not disagree with the facts, my opinion is just different in the way that is see the incidents as the same.
Albeit with different outcomes.

Hence my comment, what if Hamilton ties to "squeeze" Rosbeg again comment.
So i agree with the facts, not with you peception of what happened

The reason the outcomes were different, was because the incidents were factually not the same.

[GrandAxe]

Nico's punishment is a great illustration of why there is a perception that the FIA is dysfunctional.

• 1. One of the charges the FIA levelled against Nico was that he did not retire a dangerous car.

• 2. If Nico had done the correct thing and retired, he would have earned zero points for the race.

• 3. Yet after the FIA's punishment, Nico left with not zero points for the race, but gained a 12 point reward instead.

In this case, the FIA dubious decision taking makes it seem that rule breaking and unsportsmanlike behaviour will be rewarded. Bravo, F1!

[Schuttelberg]

It took Bianchi's life to get the 'VSC' rule to come in (in regard to cranes on track) when the dubious practice was there for ages, I wonder if the same is being waited for in terms of these bubble gum tyres. It's just a bloody joke!!!

[TAG]

Nico's intent was clear, Lewis was not going to get past him at any cost. I'm sure he did his "calculations" and thought he'd come out ahead given the situation but things didn't go according to his plan. Clearly there was intent, and his insistence on blaming Hamilton for the contact is proof of not only his lack of talent but his lack of integrity.

It would be so refreshing to see a driver do what Nico did today and instead of hiding tail between legs after the fact, say yeah, I did it, I'm here to win and I'd do the same thing again.

[Jolle]

How can you "see" a car being ahead and squeezing on corner exit, which is legal as per the regs, hence no penalty, and a car being behind, divebombing into the side of another, which is illegal as per the regs, hence penalty, as the same thing?

You may have your opinion for sure, but you're degrading the strength of it when you willfully base it on lack of fact.

The differences in circumstances I pointed out aren't opinions, theyre factual accurances that happened in real life. We all watched them on our televisions. As did the stewards.

Hence penalties for Ros in Austria an non for Ham in Canada.

I do not disagree with the facts, my opinion is just different in the way that is see the incidents as the same.
Albeit with different outcomes.

Hence my comment, what if Hamilton ties to "squeeze" Rosbeg again comment.
So i agree with the facts, not with you peception of what happened

The reason the outcomes were different, was because the incidents were factually not the same.

Indeed, if it was the other way round, Hamilton would have followed Rosberg on the inside and squeezed him to the outside at the exit, staying on the racing line. Rosberg lacks control in moments like these.

[sAx]

Cannot see any reason for prolonged discussion here! There would have to be a better reason than we've heard so far as to why a driver would move so far from the apex of a corner, which would have provided the least distance to defend the line of someone trying to overtake on the outside .

[iotar__]

Does anyone remember the Spanish GP, when most wondered exactly where Nico was going when Hamilton was steaming up on him and Rosberg was in the wrong engine mode which meant he well down on power?
That was when we were told Rosberg wouldn't ever push Hamilton off the track on purpose.

How well down, shocking, 15 kmph? Speed difference is (the horror) essential element of every pass/pass attempt. You want Spain - no call vs Austria 10 s comparison? Fine, impact and result of Barcelona crash compared to this one cannot be dismissed because in both cases it's a direct consequence of magnitude of driver's transgression. These are objective circumstances.:

A. No control, not even for a second possibility of a clean pass or any other pass for that matter, just mindlessly driving behind the car into a gap that is too small, going off and crashing. No action, can you believe that? Cars don't end up broken and out of the race by itself either. it's a consequence od speed, angle and lack of control. As opposed to one broken FW now.
.
B. A matter of, yes delibrate blocking and pushing off to prevent a pass which could have worked out, Barcelona = it ends up like that no matter what Rosberg does whereas in Rosberg's case there was a chance of success. Blocking and pushing off when you are on the inside although not clean is part of the racing, there's a purpose and possible outcomes. Going off track and crashing - is not.

What about Hamilton's race deciding blocking in Monaco, was it as deliberate as here? If Ricciardo continues to drive it's a collision. As usual (Spain, reprimands) when the fat finger of a person running this circus (Ecclestone) is pointing at Hamilton 5 times as a '16 champion he's going to get all the calls. FIA people know where the wind is blowing.

Cannot see any reason for prolonged discussion here! There would have to be a better reason than we've heard so far as to why a driver would move so far from the apex of a corner, which would have provided the least distance to defend the line of someone trying to overtake on the outside .

To push the other one off and/or prevent overtake. Find yourself frame of Hamilton pushing Rosberg off in USA posted wtice and ask yourself the same question. What was he doing so far from the apex, it's wheel to wheel.

[3jawchuck]

Where is this information derived from.
Url please.
Thanks.

http://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-o ... nformation

[Jolle]

Does anyone remember the Spanish GP, when most wondered exactly where Nico was going when Hamilton was steaming up on him and Rosberg was in the wrong engine mode which meant he well down on power?
That was when we were told Rosberg wouldn't ever push Hamilton off the track on purpose.

How well down, shocking, 15 kmph? Speed difference is (the horror) essential element of every pass/pass attempt. You want Spain - no call vs Austria 10 s comparison? Fine, impact and result of Barcelona crash compared to this one cannot be dismissed because in both cases it's a direct consequence of magnitude of driver's transgression. These are objective circumstances.:

A. No control, not even for a second possibility of a clean pass or any other pass for that matter, just mindlessly driving behind the car into a gap that is too small, going off and crashing. No action, can you believe that? Cars don't end up broken and out of the race by itself either. it's a consequence od speed, angle and lack of control. As opposed to one broken FW now.
.
B. A matter of, yes delibrate blocking and pushing off to prevent a pass which could have worked out, Barcelona = it ends up like that no matter what Rosberg does whereas in Rosberg's case there was a chance of success. Blocking and pushing off when you are on the inside although not clean is part of the racing, there's a purpose and possible outcomes. Going off track and crashing - is not.

What about Hamilton's race deciding blocking in Monaco, was it as deliberate as here? If Ricciardo continues to drive it's a collision. As usual (Spain, reprimands) when the fat finger of a person running this circus (Ecclestone) is pointing at Hamilton 5 times as a '16 champion he's going to get all the calls. FIA people know where the wind is blowing.

Cannot see any reason for prolonged discussion here! There would have to be a better reason than we've heard so far as to why a driver would move so far from the apex of a corner, which would have provided the least distance to defend the line of someone trying to overtake on the outside .

To push the other one off and/or prevent overtake. Find yourself frame of Hamilton pushing Rosberg off in USA posted wtice and ask yourself the same question. What was he doing so far from the apex, it's wheel to wheel.

Take another look at Hamiltons block in Monaco. He leaves Ricciardo a cars whith and a small bit. The that is racing! Just enough room not to crash but too little to overtake.

[flickerf1]

Rosberg is deluded: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... s--rosberg

I got penalised by the stewards for the incident.

"I got 10 seconds, which doesn't change my result, but they give me the blame, which sucks.

"I respect that, but I'm of a different opinion. It doesn't help.