2016 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, Fri 01 – Sun 03 Jul 2016

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Re: 2016 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, Fri 01 – Sun 03 Jul 2016

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TAG wrote:Nico's intent was clear, Lewis was not going to get past him at any cost. I'm sure he did his "calculations" and thought he'd come out ahead given the situation but things didn't go according to his plan. Clearly there was intent, and his insistence on blaming Hamilton for the contact is proof of not only his lack of talent but his lack of integrity.

It would be so refreshing to see a driver do what Nico did today and instead of hiding tail between legs after the fact, say yeah, I did it, I'm here to win and I'd do the same thing again.
did Hamilton said he's sorry he crashed into Nico? I missed that

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Re: 2016 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, Fri 01 – Sun 03 Jul 2016

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From the horse's mouth:


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So i overlayed all the relevant frames from the replay

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Green Line: ideal racing line

Red Line: the one Lewis wanted to take

Blue Line: the one Rosberg wanted to take (judging by his trajectory and him not turning in until the moment marked with the blue X - that's where he reacted to Lewis turning in)

Light Blue Line: Rosberg ended up on it after colliding with Lewis (marked with red)

Pink Line: Lewis ended up on it

marked with yellow-ish is the room Rosberg was left by Lewis, who approaching the corner was in front.

As i see it Lewis went on a line that is the 'ideal' line just further to the outside or 'later' if you will - Rosberg (as he admitted in his FB vlog) just wanted to go straight and turn in at the last possible moment ... does anyone remember the Rossi - Marquez incident last year in MotoGP ? It was very similar.
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"...I went deep to keep him outside a little bit.."! #FromTheHorsesMouth
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Re: 2016 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, Fri 01 – Sun 03 Jul 2016

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Austrian track got a new race lap record now by Lewis Hamilton Mercedes "1:08.411" in Soft tyres.
“And suddenly I realized that I was no longer driving the car consciously. I was driving it by a kind of instinct, only I was in a different dimension.”
― Ayrton Senna

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Re: 2016 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, Fri 01 – Sun 03 Jul 2016

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jurinius wrote:Austrian track got a new race lap record now by Lewis Hamilton Mercedes "1:08.411" in Soft tyres.
Not quite; 1:08.337 (Michael Schumacher, Ferrari F2003-GA, 2003).

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ChrisDanger wrote:From the horse's mouth:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyjXlX_Jw3Y
He isn't doing himself any favors, especially while trying to finalizing his contract and having team orders hanging above his head.

Or say nothing or take the hit. He's just not only disagreeing with Lewis, but also questioning the stewards and the team. Lauda was very clear.
Wonder if he can bounce back in Silverstone.

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The Totonator with the hardest face and then they show him the video of Nico not turning. Toto's reaction is priceless.
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sAx wrote:"...I went deep to keep him outside a little bit.."! #FromTheHorsesMouth
"When you are on the outside you have to expect that. It's tough for sure, but this is not a friendly game of chess..."

~ Lewis Hamilton, Suzuka 2015

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ChrisDanger wrote:From the horse's mouth:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyjXlX_Jw3Y
Hmm! He deliberately "drove straight". The dumbness of such a tactic is truly amazing, just as much as that this is an admission that the earlier brake problem story was a lie.
What is worse than Nico's earlier lie is that Mercedes bosses, Toto Wolff and Niki Lauda were the first to tell it.

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bhall II wrote:
sAx wrote:"...I went deep to keep him outside a little bit.."! #FromTheHorsesMouth
"When you are on the outside you have to expect that. It's tough for sure, but this is not a friendly game of chess..."

~ Lewis Hamilton, Suzuka 2015
just a few sentences into that article.... "While the two Mercedes cars didn't touch" it's illustrative of the delta between their talent an the respective outcomes wouldn't you agree?
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Jolle wrote:
GrizzleBoy wrote:
Sonador wrote:

I do not disagree with the facts, my opinion is just different in the way that is see the incidents as the same.
Albeit with different outcomes.

Hence my comment, what if Hamilton ties to "squeeze" Rosbeg again comment.
So i agree with the facts, not with you peception of what happened
The reason the outcomes were different, was because the incidents were factually not the same.
Indeed, if it was the other way round, Hamilton would have followed Rosberg on the inside and squeezed him to the outside at the exit, staying on the racing line. Rosberg lacks control in moments like these.
That is what i tried to say, Rosberg lacks finesse that Hamilton has in spades :wink:

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By the way, why was the soft tyre the better racetyre today compared to the supersoft, or the ultrasoft?

What if Rosberg was also on the soft tyre towards the end?
Rosberg was very fast on the soft tyre, and not so fast on the supersofts (possible graining?)
Or was it the damage sustained after Vettels tyre blow out?

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bhall II wrote:
sAx wrote:"...I went deep to keep him outside a little bit.."! #FromTheHorsesMouth
"When you are on the outside you have to expect that. It's tough for sure, but this is not a friendly game of chess..."

~ Lewis Hamilton, Suzuka 2015
Certainly tough....when your straight-line miss the apex manoeuvre takes you from a certain 2nd to a front wing scraping 4th!
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