Pirelli 2013

[Jersey Tom]

The problem is nobody, not the teams, not the fia, not even pirelli, will really know how much the "minor" changes will affect the durability and performance, until they are properly tried out on track.

Track testing is the ultimate check... but there have got to be lab durability and safety tests that Pirelli does first.

[lebesset]

The problem is nobody, not the teams, not the fia, not even pirelli, will really know how much the "minor" changes will affect the durability and performance, until they are properly tried out on track.

Track testing is the ultimate check... but there have got to be lab durability and safety tests that Pirelli does first.

I think that is spot on , pirelli will have to do the normal lab tests ,but the reason we are having these problems ...no proper track testing ;no F1 team is going to tell pirelli where they are with their latest developments
all very well telling pirelli to make marginal tyres , but without the ultimate testing on the track everything is just an estimate


so what about next year ? in my view whoever the supplier is they should make concrete tyres like bridgestone did , on the basis that although normally that would take us back to the old boring racing , the first year of a new type of car it is liable to make for less predictable races anyway ; hopefully testing for 2015 could then be done on a 2014 car ...maybe even having a couple of test days for all the teams by staying on at brazil after the season ends?

[Huntresa]

so what about next year ? in my view whoever the supplier is they should make concrete tyres like bridgestone did , on the basis that although normally that would take us back to the old boring racing , the first year of a new type of car it is liable to make for less predictable races anyway ; hopefully testing for 2015 could then be done on a 2014 car ...maybe even having a couple of test days for all the teams by staying on at brazil after the season ends?

Haha what a dream world... F1 will never go back to concrete tyres cause it would be more offputting then what we have now, atleast now ppl understand that its not just the tyres but that the teams havent actually done their homework, its as easy as that.

And no whoever supplies tyres in 2015 wont get a 2014 car, atm Pirelli uses a 2010 or 2011 Renault for testing and its 2013.

[turbof1]

Surely that must be frustrating for Pirelli: no relevant car to test with, limited testing in data corrupting cold weather, not allowed to make adjustments midseason,... .

If I would be them, I'd say "to hell with the show, we are not given the means to get it to work properly, so have fun with our tyres made out of stone."

[gandharva]

- Carcass change from steel to kevlar to prevent overheat and tire failures
- No change to compounds!
- Some teams (Sauber, McLaren, Williams) were recently testing with 2012 tire models in wind tunnel because of better results oO

Source: AMUS

[turbof1]

- Carcass change from steel to kevlar to prevent overheat and tire failures
- No change to compounds!
- Some teams (Sauber, McLaren, Williams) were recently testing with 2012 tire models in wind tunnel because of better results oO

Source: AMUS

So I was right about the belt. That will change how the tyre flexes.

[Bomber_Pilot]

Surely that must be frustrating for Pirelli: no relevant car to test with, limited testing in data corrupting cold weather, not allowed to make adjustments midseason,... .

If I would be them, I'd say "to hell with the show, we are not given the means to get it to work properly, so have fun with our tyres made out of stone."

I agree with you completely. And to add to that, in my view, Pirelli did an excelent job this year. Even with all the hurdles that you've mentioned, they still managed to produce the exact tire that they were asked to produce. And now they are being dragged through mud by certain teams, just because they simply got it wrong over the winter. I would be seeing red.

[lebesset]

- Carcass change from steel to kevlar to prevent overheat and tire failures
- No change to compounds!
- Some teams (Sauber, McLaren, Williams) were recently testing with 2012 tire models in wind tunnel because of better results oO

Source: AMUS

well , my german is pretty minimal , but I understand that to say that they will go back to the 2012 carcass , with 2013 compounds , which is what the FIA have forbidden !
without being pedantic , I have always used the terminology carcass /belt/tread ; the assembly of this is called a casing

I suggest that this article has been written before the FIA spake from on high as it sounds as though this is what pirelli originally intended

we shall see ! [

[turbof1]

To be fair, I've readed the article too. No mention about the kevlar belt reappearing, just that for this year the kevlar belt was changed to a steel one.

[Nomore]

http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/Pire ... 61074.html

Apparently FIA has make her voice strong, and Pirelli are saying that " The changes required would appear less than first envisaged"...good newes.

http://www.formula1.com/news/interviews ... 14569.html

Ecclestone : I asked Pirelli to make tyres that would not complete 50 percent of a race - meaning we need pit stops

I thought that FIA was responsible for the tires, and Pirellis shall report only to FIA...Am i missing something ?

Ecclestone : The tyres are the same for everybody, the materials Mercedes uses are still the same. The only difference is the people who run the company - and that makes the difference

Wow, hard to say but completely agree here with Mr. Bernie...One week ago he said that tires were completely wrong but now they are the same it's up to the cars...is Ferrari lobbying behind the scene that did work pretty well or Bernie is not anymore responsible for what he says...

Ecclestone : The easiest thing for Pirelli would be to produce tyres that you put on at the first race of the season and take off at the last. That would be easy, easy.

Agree also, what isss happening Bernie...i don't trust this, i want the video interview

http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/Vett ... 61118.html

Apparently Vettel has accepted that no Tires changes will be for 2013 and is looking for 2014...but i want to tranquilize Seb..
Don't worry Seb the tires will completely change for 2014 and possible last all race long, but i'm afraid that RB will have others problems and hope that Mateschitz don't come in mid season and says:

This is not racing anymore, how can Mercedes and Ferrari be so fast in the straight, i think this is too much...they have gone too far....

[WhiteBlue]

To be fair, I've readed the article too. No mention about the kevlar belt reappearing, just that for this year the kevlar belt was changed to a steel one.

I have to disagree. They say that basically the 2012 kevlar based construction will reappear. This would make sense because those changes are safety related, at least Pirelli can argue that. They have said that the de-lamination was not unsafe but some people will disagree with that position. If you get hit by a tyre tread or the de-laminating tread destroys your suspension at high speed it will be pretty unsafe. Necessarily there will be some property changes which will be presented as minor by Pirelli. The teams and their fans will arguing the whole tyre saga always from their perspective. IMO Pirelli had no real chance than to go back to Kevlar instead of steel. The image damage of the failures is too embarrassing.

[FrukostScones]

I can't understand while this topic is so emotional.
Pirelli got their tyre construction (not tread compounds) wrong and will have to change it. If they can't fix the overheating/bonding issue with the steel belt, the steel belt will not be in the tyre anymore, so they will have change from this quasi radial construction to a different construction, I m pretty sure the FIA is fine with this.
They will bring (rear) tyres without the steel belt in canada just like the AMUS articles predicts.
Everything else is wild fantasies.

[Ferrari2183]

To be fair, I've readed the article too. No mention about the kevlar belt reappearing, just that for this year the kevlar belt was changed to a steel one.

I have to disagree. They say that basically the 2012 kevlar based construction will reappear. This would make sense because those changes are safety related, at least Pirelli can argue that. They have said that the de-lamination was not unsafe but some people will disagree with that position. If you get hit by a tyre tread or the de-laminating tread destroys your suspension at high speed it will be pretty unsafe. Necessarily there will be some property changes which will be presented as minor by Pirelli. The teams and their fans will arguing the whole tyre saga always from their perspective. IMO Pirelli had no real chance than to go back to Kevlar instead of steel. The image damage of the failures is too embarrassing.

Autosprint and AMuS are reporting that the kevlar will reappear but the BBC, Autosport and Reuters are reporting something else.

I am going off what the FIA have said. They regulate the sport.

[Ferrari2183]

This tyre debacle is turning into a real life comedy.

Ferrari, Lotus and Force India have rejected Pirelli's proposal. They insist that fundamental changes only be allowed for safety reasons and there is no safety issue as evidenced by Di Resta's failure at 220kph.

It would now seem that the tyres remain as is.

Source

Maybe someone here can offer a detailed translation.

I'll still wait for official word.

[VIZSLA]

This tyre debacle is turning into a real life comedy.

Ferrari, Lotus and Force India have rejected Pirelli's proposal. They insist that fundamental changes only be allowed for safety reasons and there is no safety issue as evidenced by Di Resta's failure at 220kph.

It would now seem that the tyres remain as is.

Source

Maybe someone here can offer a detailed translation.

I'll still wait for official word.

I'm gonna need more popcorn. This is getting interesting.
And funny.