2021 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 16 - 18

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Re: 2021 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 16 -18

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sosic2121 wrote:
18 Jul 2021, 16:42
Diesel wrote:
18 Jul 2021, 16:41
sosic2121 wrote:
18 Jul 2021, 16:39
Was a red flag really necessary?
I makes huge impacts on race results.
They needed to repair the barrier so no choice really.
Couldn't it be done behind a SC?
You would loose 15'ish laps by this :?

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Re: 2021 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 16 -18

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Mattyw wrote:
18 Jul 2021, 16:41
Just_a_fan wrote:
18 Jul 2021, 16:39
Mattyw wrote:
18 Jul 2021, 16:37
Never gonna be a racing incident where 1 of the 2 championship contenders crashes
It's either a racing incident or it isn't. Who is driving the cars shouldn't make any difference.
Well it’s what they decide but I can’t see how they can say ‘ok racing incident’ where 1 of the 2 contenders has lost out as a result - they will try and find a ‘balance’ with a penalty, somehow!
Again that doesn't make any sense. It means it can be your fault (60/40) but if you come off worse the other guy gets a penalty. Dumb.

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Re: 2021 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 16 -18

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Just_a_fan wrote:
18 Jul 2021, 16:42
Horner briefing everyone who'll listen that Lewis almost tried to kill Max (yes, he didn't say that but that's what his emotional words are inferring).
I'm surprised he hasn't called the police in to arrest Lewis, he's laying it on very thick.

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Re: 2021 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 16 -18

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Horner and Wolff are 2 sides of the same coin. Neither could say lie straight in bed.
His whole argument seems to be ‘Lewis should just give Max the corner,. How dare he make him have to race for it’.

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Re: 2021 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 16 -18

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If it was just a spin they will interpret as race incident. Because of the damage and nearly a driver injury hamilton will receive a penalty because is clear he missed the appex. 5sec or drive through

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Re: 2021 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 16 -18

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Just like the first corner VER should’ve completed the move by going off track. Two cars aren’t going through there side-by-side. HAM was sufficiently alongside, VER should’ve yielded.
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Re: 2021 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 16 -18

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Mattyw wrote:
18 Jul 2021, 16:41
Just_a_fan wrote:
18 Jul 2021, 16:39
Mattyw wrote:
18 Jul 2021, 16:37
Never gonna be a racing incident where 1 of the 2 championship contenders crashes
It's either a racing incident or it isn't. Who is driving the cars shouldn't make any difference.
Well it’s what they decide but I can’t see how they can say ‘ok racing incident’ where 1 of the 2 contenders has lost out as a result - they will try and find a ‘balance’ with a penalty, somehow!
Why? That one of the contenders is out doesn't make any difference. Either it's a racing incident or it isn't, either it's a penalty or it isn't. Title standings are irrelevant. If a driver does it on purpose, penalise them. If it's an accident / incident then don't.
If you are more fortunate than others, build a larger table not a taller fence.

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Re: 2021 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 16 -18

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sosic2121 wrote:
18 Jul 2021, 16:42
Diesel wrote:
18 Jul 2021, 16:41
sosic2121 wrote:
18 Jul 2021, 16:39
Was a red flag really necessary?
I makes huge impacts on race results.
They needed to repair the barrier so no choice really.
Couldn't it be done behind a SC?
they used to.... not anymore for whatever reason...

Mr.S
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Re: 2021 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 16 -18

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Chandok was reviewing the incident from both Max & Lewis' viewpoints. Max actually went a little wide @ Cobbs to give Lewis cars space while Lewis was nowhere the apex & wasn't even trying to take that line. He was taking a much more central line.

And Max was clearly ahead all the way ! Nowhere was Lewis for even 1 bit during that corner. Real shame what happened.

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Re: 2021 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 16 -18

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Mattyw wrote:
18 Jul 2021, 16:41
Just_a_fan wrote:
18 Jul 2021, 16:39
Mattyw wrote:
18 Jul 2021, 16:37
Never gonna be a racing incident where 1 of the 2 championship contenders crashes
It's either a racing incident or it isn't. Who is driving the cars shouldn't make any difference.
Well it’s what they decide but I can’t see how they can say ‘ok racing incident’ where 1 of the 2 contenders has lost out as a result - they will try and find a ‘balance’ with a penalty, somehow!
It shouldn’t matter if they were contenders or not. If it happen in the battle for last place, the same rules should apply. That they don’t is usually why most think FIA’s race direction is bs and ultimately ruins the show.

By that logic, in the interest of the “show”, the FIA should look the other way to tighten up the standings.

It’s still a racing incident though.
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politburo wrote:
18 Jul 2021, 16:42
Russell got a penalty for something similar, put down as causing a colison with Sainz when he locked up and understeeered into him at Brooklands, plenty of space on the inside, Sainz gave him plenty of room.

I say let's just wait til' Mazepin or Stroll does it to one of these British drivers, then perhaps the conversation of causing collisions will be treated with respect rather than just shoe-horning "racing incident" everywhere. Raikonnen collides with Vettel racing side-by-side, not a racing incident, but this ofcourse, and forcing driver's off-track if your name is Norris, is.
I'm not sure why you are directing this at me, I said Hamilton would get a penalty. I have at no point said it was a racing incident. Give your head a wobble.
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Re: 2021 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 16 -18

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Lewis didn’t understeer wildly into Max though. Without Max clouting his steering he’d probably have made the apex.

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Re: 2021 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 16 -18

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Diesel wrote:
18 Jul 2021, 16:43
Just_a_fan wrote:
18 Jul 2021, 16:42
Horner briefing everyone who'll listen that Lewis almost tried to kill Max (yes, he didn't say that but that's what his emotional words are inferring).
I'm surprised he hasn't called the police in to arrest Lewis, he's laying it on very thick.
And if it were the other way round he’d say racing incident.

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Re: 2021 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 16 -18

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sosic2121 wrote:
18 Jul 2021, 16:39
Was a red flag really necessary?
I makes huge impacts on race results.
If they'd done a safety car or similar, they'd have been behind it for 10-20 laps and that would have been pointless. By having a red flag, we get a full race.
If you are more fortunate than others, build a larger table not a taller fence.

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Re: 2021 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 16 -18

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Hamilton did this on purpose. What other purpose could this move have? This is not a passing opportunity and it's followed by a series of more ultra high speed turns where you can't pass either. Also he was catching him better than with DRS. Investigate mercedes engine when?