2016 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, Fri 01 – Sun 03 Jul 2016

[iotar__]

If it was a pass on an other driver than they probably would investigate it but Max already was in front of Ricciardo when he left the track. So in my opinion it's questionable whether it is legal or not.

- The fact that he was in front changes nothing (many examples of that), going off was the part of overtaking move and staying in front . He wasn't pushed, wasn't avoiding a collision, dived across forcing Ricciardo to slow down (gain) overshot the corner by himself (+wider line, higher speed).
- Why would combination of drivers be relevant? Track limits application is a selective farce in F1 so not really a surprise they didn't touch it.

[sosic2121]

looks like illegal overtake. all 4 wheels off the track

That's what I was thinking as well.

If it was a pass on an other driver than they probably would investigate it but Max already was in front of Ricciardo when he left the track. So in my opinion it's questionable whether it is legal or not.

As I see it, max was not able to complete the overtake on the track. he was simply too fast. what if ric tried to stay side by side...
but it’s a same team. so it would be pointless to demand that max gives a place back.
if it was any other driver, imo it's illegal overtake

[dans79]

Those were the days indeed. But don't forget all the blown engines and gearboxes because it was so on the edge. Champion was the one with the least DNF's. They even changed the points for that (so you could scrap a few)

True, but at least back then your DNF or other issue only affected you for one race. Nowadays, an engine issue like Alonso's in Melbourne can have a knock-on effect that will affect future races.

[strad]

If you have no brakes, as confirmed by the team, and you are traveling too fast to turn in for the apex, what are you to do?
Turn in any way and spin into Hamilton????

[turbof1]

If you have no brakes, as confirmed by the team, and you are traveling too fast to turn in for the apex, what are you to do?
Turn in any way and spin into Hamilton????

Maybe brake earlier? Lift and coast? Yes, that means giving up on the position, but isn't that what you are supposed to do out of safety?

[zeph]

I think a DSQ would have been appropriate.

Get your --- straight.

Good point, well argued.

[i70q7m7ghw]

If you have no brakes, as confirmed by the team, and you are traveling too fast to turn in for the apex, what are you to do?
Turn in any way and spin into Hamilton????

Maybe brake earlier? Lift and coast? Yes, that means giving up on the position, but isn't that what you are supposed to do out of safety?

Funny how the whole brake-by-wire story has since evaporated? Perhaps because the telemetry provided to the stewards proved there was no such issue? He didn't lock, he didn't appear to be struggling to slow the car down, I very much doubt there was an issue with the brakes.

[lebesset]

I think everyone is missing a point here ....everytime rosberg can equal hamiltons point score in a race ...2 DNF , in effect he wins due to hamilton's penalties to come , he is already on his last engine ; blocking hamilton , at whatever cost , is a winning move for him

[TAG]

But, correct if I am wrong, Hamilton has not by my knowing deliberately start turning way after the apex...

Rosberg didn't turn away from the apex. Hamilton started his turn at a point that would allow him to take the ideal line through the corner

Sorry Bhall, but do you mean the ideal line of....
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cmc2TT9WgAAQTVs.jpg

Then I can only disagree obviously, Hamilton only tried to take the last line he could before going of track, wich was several meters away from the ideal line. But Rosberg didn´t allow him any space at all, he just tried to push Lewis off track

Look through the early pages of this thread where people wanted Rosberg's head on a plate. I just don't think it was that serious is all.

I can agree on this point to some extent, but it´s still Rosberg´s fault, so he and his fans must accept criticism

I clarified that to say I'm neither defending Rosberg nor condemning Hamilton. --- happens.

Disagree, most people, including stewards after revising telemetry, said it´s Rosberg fault and he was even penalized because of that, while you keep repeating ´--- happens´ or...

It was a racing incident.

Since he was considered responsible and was penalized, saying this you´re actually defending Rosberg when you say it´s a racing incident. No it was not a racing incident, it was a collision caused by Nico Rosberg, and was penalized for that, so by definition, any incident where someone is found at fault cannot be considered a racing incident

I think the intent of Bhall jumping into the kiddie pool here with us is valid, the calls of Rosberg's head on a pike etc. This horse is already very dead, so I'll keep it brief, Jenson Button's comments after seeing the replay; "he didn't turn!" and then "He didn't even give him room to come back on track!"

Intent here; holds more water than incompetence. But only Nico can explain that to Niki and Toto.

[Racer X]

Adjust the Kerbs maybe less agressive next season? Maybe the teams should make a unique stronger suspension just for circuits like this just in case.

[sAx]

Rosberg didn't turn away from the apex. Hamilton started his turn at a point that would allow him to take the ideal line through the corner

Sorry Bhall, but do you mean the ideal line of....
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cmc2TT9WgAAQTVs.jpg

Then I can only disagree obviously, Hamilton only tried to take the last line he could before going of track, wich was several meters away from the ideal line. But Rosberg didn´t allow him any space at all, he just tried to push Lewis off track

Look through the early pages of this thread where people wanted Rosberg's head on a plate. I just don't think it was that serious is all.

I can agree on this point to some extent, but it´s still Rosberg´s fault, so he and his fans must accept criticism

I clarified that to say I'm neither defending Rosberg nor condemning Hamilton. --- happens.

Disagree, most people, including stewards after revising telemetry, said it´s Rosberg fault and he was even penalized because of that, while you keep repeating ´--- happens´ or...

It was a racing incident.

Since he was considered responsible and was penalized, saying this you´re actually defending Rosberg when you say it´s a racing incident. No it was not a racing incident, it was a collision caused by Nico Rosberg, and was penalized for that, so by definition, any incident where someone is found at fault cannot be considered a racing incident

I think the intent of Bhall jumping into the kiddie pool here with us is valid, the calls of Rosberg's head on a pike etc. This horse is already very dead, so I'll keep it brief, Jenson Button's comments after seeing the replay; "he didn't turn!" and then "He didn't even give him room to come back on track!"

Intent here; holds more water than incompetence. But only Nico can explain that to Niki and Toto.

Interesting corollary to Austria was Formula E championship decider yesterday. Buemi was nearly decapitated by Di Grassi, who claimed Buemi had braked too early for the first corner. All watching professional racing pundits claimed it could only have happened if Di Grassi had experienced a mechanical failure....some not as stupid as he thought!!

[Pierce89]

I'm not sure exploding tyres equates to a sprinkling of rain

It is in the sense that it changes the environmental variables, forces teams to react to it, knocks a car or so out of the race (maybe giving a chance to a Manor/etc), forces drivers to react to the situation, etc.

(Not directed at you) it's all very well to wish for perfect tyres, perfect reliability, a dry race, no bashing of wheels etc but the truth is it's boring!

I have no issues with some randomness, but with the way points are awarded, and all the penalties for reliability and transmission changes etc, its starting to see more and more like a lottery than a contest of skill and engineering.

Points awarded should be on a linear scale. And in general I think all this reliability garbage is complete nonsense. Personally I prefer the days of qualifying engines and engines that barely made it through a race.

I definitely agree that the points should be on a more linear scale.

[Pieoter]

I completely disagree with point being awarded on a linear scale, this would eliminate a large incentive to race for a win.

Say point are awarded 24 to 1 in reverse order. The benefit for winning in not worth any risk, but with points awarded 25 for 1st and 18 for 2nd you have a good incentive to battle for the win.

[PhillipM]

I've raced in series with points on a linear scale. It's awful. It turns into people getting to 4th and 3rd and just staying there because it takes so much more risk and skill to push harder it's not worth it. Then the guys hanging it all out have one mechanical failure and can never get it back. You end up with the guy who was third all season beating the guy who was 1st for every race bar the one he had a tyre explode at.

[Jolle]

I didn't know Nico Rosberg had so many supporters. Or maybe those who are empathetic towards him think that a spoiled, privileged person like him who never really cared passionately for anything; deserved to win, deserved to be privileged just like the way they think they are too.

I'm far from a Rosberg fan, but this kind of rant has nothing to do with his abilities on the track (or inhabitants). Same goes for any other driver.