2021 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 10 - 12

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Wonder if Lewis will tweet later his disgust about Ver not checking he was OK ๐Ÿ˜‰

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Mattyw wrote: โ†‘
12 Sep 2021, 16:15
Wonder if Lewis will tweet later his disgust about Ver not checking he was OK ๐Ÿ˜‰
Ham is not gutter class like many others :lol:
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ringo wrote: โ†‘
12 Sep 2021, 16:13
Ryar wrote: โ†‘
12 Sep 2021, 16:08
dans79 wrote: โ†‘
12 Sep 2021, 16:06


There's a difference between the inside of the corner and the outside and the entry to the corner and the exit of a corner.
You have to leave a car's width, no matter where you are. Simple rule, which Lewis didn't follow.
Well you dont understand how F1 work.
You only leave room on entry and exit.
As i said there is 3 phases to this corner.
Max had two opportunities to bail out but decided to drive accross the exit of the turn to obstruct lewis.
He is out of control and emotional. He deserves a penalty.
Fixed it for you.
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politburo wrote: โ†‘
12 Sep 2021, 16:12
Spacepace wrote: โ†‘
12 Sep 2021, 16:08
politburo wrote: โ†‘
12 Sep 2021, 16:05


It's not about being ahead *facepalm*. Who in the world told you that if you're side by side and one driver is a meter or 2 ahead, with cars that are 5 meters long, then they can just turn in like the other driver isn't there?. There is so much precedence for this I don't understand what you're even arguing, its about being significantly alongside. Can point to at least 5+ situations like these in the past two years alone where a driver gets penalized for forcing another driver off-track/crowding because they did not leave a car's width.
It's a chicane and it's Hamilton's corner. Verstappen has to overtake and react to what Hamilton is doing. Why should Hamilton yield, he was probably expecting Verstappen to back out but he "SEND IT!"
That's not how it works. They only say leave a car's width, so cars don't go off track. They don't instruct anyone to yield, that at the end of the day is your own opinion who should yield. But all this nonsense about who is ahead gets the corner is just senseless, if you are ahead still side by side you must leave the space, and sadly, one driver didn't and the collided rear tyres which DNF'd both. It's really that simple.
Verstappen had space but he decided to use a kerb to stay within Hamilton and he lost control

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I think the hardest thing for max is that he was clearly hot headed after the pit stop, he broke way too late, would nowhere near make the apex of corner if Hamilton wasnt there, and he said thatโ€™s what you get over the radio.

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If the attacker is definitely more than halfway past the defender at the apex. The attacker has the right to the racing line. A collision at the apex is entirely the fault of the defender.

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Mattyw wrote: โ†‘
12 Sep 2021, 16:15
Wonder if Lewis will tweet later his disgust about Ver not checking he was OK ๐Ÿ˜‰
Of course he wont, that was a sad pathetic game they played to make the other side look bad.
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Ryar wrote: โ†‘
12 Sep 2021, 16:12
Spacepace wrote: โ†‘
12 Sep 2021, 16:09
Ryar wrote: โ†‘
12 Sep 2021, 16:08
You have to leave a car's width, no matter where you are. Simple rule, which Lewis didn't follow.
Hamilton has a right to the apex of turn 2. He doesn't need to open the door
There are no rights if there is a car alongside. Austria clearly established it.
He wasn't alongside

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Darren is going to win the Italian GP!
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It's a bit of a shame really that's it's hugely overshadowing an amazing McLaren 1-2 finish!

Feel a bit sorry for Norris being the superstar of the season but Danny Ric will get the glory of the win! Happens so often in F1.

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101FlyingDutchman wrote: โ†‘
12 Sep 2021, 16:02
I donโ€™t understand the early HAM stop. Like why, unless the tyre was shot, staying out would have created all the gaps he needed
Nah. Max and Co on fresher tyres were doing strong laps.
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Ryar wrote: โ†‘
12 Sep 2021, 16:06
NathanOlder wrote: โ†‘
12 Sep 2021, 16:05
politburo wrote: โ†‘
12 Sep 2021, 15:57


You have seen Lewis onboard I presume?. If you haven't then you'd rather not claim this. This is on initial turn in. Verstappen is literally right there.

https://i.imgur.com/p1jyloI.png
Not ahead, so Lewis has the right to the line. Like Max did on lap 1.
Lewis had colder tyres compared to Max and Max was clearly, ahead. So that's a bad move again from Lewis.
If you actually watch the incident, itโ€™s quite clear that Max is never ever ahead.

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Shoey time and a tattoo for ZB ;)

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matt_b wrote: โ†‘
12 Sep 2021, 12:58
TimW wrote: โ†‘
12 Sep 2021, 11:54
If you look at the fp2 long runs, Mercedes, RB and alpine alternated stints between their drivers, yet there is hardly any pace differences.
I expect most just to go medium-hard. For McLaren a double podium seems possible if played out well, and would be a great result, so I don't expect any high risk approach from them.
Double Podium? A win and a 1-2 would be even better for McLaren and they can do it with an great start and strategy.
Wish granted :D
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Nobody "has the right" to the corner as long as cars are significantly alongside each other. Every driver is obliged to leave enough space for the other car. The FIA has set the stand for this kind of squeezing being legal starting in Imola (Max leaving no space to Lewis). Every other incident with Max and Lewis has been the same, with Max leaving zero space even tgough Lewis is always alongside. Now FIA has to continue with that charade.